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Twitter employees are bringing their own toilet paper to work
- rsynnott 4y agoOne suspects that Musk has misunderstood what the phrase ‘like crazy’ means.
- clouddrover 4y agoWoo! Hardcore!
- raverbashing 4y agoThis should have been their cue to quit A lot of these "effective jerks" like Musk and Jobs are successful because they count on a lot of people "driven by the mission" in detriment of self-respect The man is a billionaire. Toilet paper should have been way down on the list to cut.
- leobg 4y agoThat is, I guess, precisely the conclusion Forbes wants you to draw.
- hsbauauvhabzb 4y agoWhat are the incentives not to, does America have good redundancy packages or something? Has Twitter services actually deteriorated? I don’t spend much time there
- unmole 4y ago> What are the incentives not to, People on H1-B visas can only remain in the US for a very period if they're out of a job.
- v0idzer0 4y agoNot everyone is leaving because these stories are greatly exaggerated and the experience of working there doesn’t feel anything like they write in the press
- 1attice 4y agokeep talking. What is it like? How know you?
- watwut 4y agoI see bugs I did not seen before. Mute function is working on and ofd. The new video feature has quite annoying usability bugs atypical for twitter. Threading is broken, so whenever someone makes long thread (and people I follow do them), my timeliness is cluttered with out of context thread tweets. Ukraine was removed from list of countries for like a day or so, making it impossible for Ukrainians to even login if they had 2 factor authentication. Specifically their Twitter was malfunctioning for multiple days. Some Asian countries had 2FA also disabled for few days. Their phone providers were cut off entirely. The harassment on platform went super up, it not that discourse there would be super great before, but it became much much worst.
- sylens 4y agoHe didn't cut toilet paper per se, he just fired the janitorial staff which is responsible for replacing it in the restrooms. And then never got a replacement janitorial staff. I would not want to see what state those bathrooms are in at this point.
- pooterd 4y ago[flagged]
- pvaldes 4y agoOr you could just quit and keep your social network and business value intact. Spreading poo-poo in the walls is for flat-squirrel eaters. Somebody will need to clean it and will not be Musk itself, so why would you want to made the morning of a coworker harder (and risk to be tagged as mentally unstable)?
- ElevenLathe 4y agoWhat's a "flat-squirrel eater"? I assume this is a translation from some foreign phrase that has a particular meaning?
- vasqw 4y agoI interpreted it as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadkill_cuisine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadkill_cuisine
- solardev 4y agoHave you ever tried to make a squirrel sandwich? They don't particularly like being grabbed off a tree and squeezed between bread. The mayo gets all over their fur and they often bite. Much safer to run them over first and pre spread them.
- ragingrobot 4y agoProvided you quit. If not, you will need to use that bathroom again. Why make it a mess for yourself and co-workers who did you no harm?
- Ekaros 4y agoThis whole Twitter story is so unbelievable it would not pass as satire... I wonder if any books or research will be done with it couple years... Seems like there is lot to unravel here.
- hotpotamus 4y agoWhat lesson would a business school teach? Don't make any spur of the moment decisions to buy a large public company while you're going through a divorce from your slightly age inappropriate C-list (nothing against her but she wouldn't be as famous as she is without Musk) electronic music artist wife/whatever (I don't know if they were actually married). To me the real lesson has been one that's repeatedly been driven home over the last 7 or 8 years - rich people are just regular people with more money. They like to push some myths about ability or some other moral justification about why they deserve more toys than the other boys and girls. The reality is they might have a bit more ability than most, but not 100X+ more.
- datavirtue 4y agoAnd they are really needy. They need people to pay attention to them and include them in all the controversies. If they start to feel irrelevant they get a divorce or go on an authoritarian bender. Failing to grovel before a powerful person is the greatest affront.
- rsynnott 4y agoOh, this will, I assume, inspire high production value multi-season docudramas that will make the WeWork one look like a student project. Quite looking forward to them, to be honest.
- more_corn 4y agoFarce. That’s what it’s called when you overshoot your satire.
- lawn 4y agoI'm looking forward to a movie starring Bale or DiCaprio as Musk in a few years.
- Alifatisk 4y agoThis is ridiculous, Isn’t this a sign to leave?
- more_corn 4y agoAnyone who missed the previous signs already has some serious reasons to stay. I suspect H1B indentured servitude is a big pet of it.
- barbarbar 4y agoThe good thing about such a decision is that it is obvious that the person behind it is insane. So then everyone can act accordingly.
- LadyCailin 4y agoUnless their ability to remain in the country is tied to their job…
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoWhy should I care that a tech worker on visa can't keep their high paying job in a rich foreign country? Become a citizen. Should they be treated differently than everyone else?
- awinder 4y agoOne does not simply become a citizen, most have to convert from a work visa to a permanent visa (requires wait time + process), and then more wait time before being allowed to apply for citizenship. So there’s workers at twitter who can’t merely say “the boss is crazy, I’m out of here”. They have to line up another job and get their visa in order before they can go. No one is asking you to care or treat people differently, though people might judge you based on the thoroughness of your understanding & compassion for the situation.
- dotgov 4y agoBecause a tech worker is highly skilled labor that would leave the country and therefore henceforth would not be available to the labor pool of said country, which arguably will have negative long term economic effects. This problem occurs precisely because foreign tech workers are being treated differently. You are also glossing over the fact that those tech workers are on their path to become citizens.
- more_corn 4y agoPay a lawyer $7-$14k, maintain residency on work visa for 7 years (for which you have to fight 5 other qualified candidates for a slot). Wait months for responses from an overwhelmed government service for each phase of an overly complicated process. You’re right they shouldn’t be treated differently. Everyone should be treated better than that.
- itomato 4y agoWhen the Boss takes the TP, the Boss is the TP.
- easton 4y agohttps://archive.vn/ebBES https://archive.vn/ebBES
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- michaelbuckbee 4y agoNeal Stephenson's Snow Crash covers this in pretty hilarious detail. http://soquoted.blogspot.com/2006/03/memo-from-fedland.html http://soquoted.blogspot.com/2006/03/memo-from-fedland.html
- ElfinTrousers 4y agoOf course, given Stephenson's ideology, it was a government agency doing this in the book, whereas in real life it turned out to be a large profit-seeking corporation.
- ohohflbckhx 4y agoof course it should also be remembered that in Snowcrash, the government is effectively just another corporation.
- vasqw 4y ago[flagged]
- more_corn 4y agoBro.
- pvaldes 4y agoOh, the drama!. Pay me lotta money more and I will care also of buying my own toilet paper
- hotpotamus 4y agoIf I was paying my engineers a lot of money, I'd want them focused on higher level issues than how to clean their asses after using the facilities. And I think the whole free food thing verges on exploitative/paternalistic, but this swings the pendulum a bit too far in the other direction for my taste.
- pvaldes 4y agoNot a bad point. On the other hand, If somebody is being paid solid money for coding around complex logistics problems should be able to solve this simple logistic problem really fast and cheaply, and move on with their lives. Is a transition period for the company. Not all must be perfect. Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoIf it were only TP perhaps, besides the sign of a disfuncional management. Now unsanitary bathrooms is another level, and could impact ones health.
- adalacelove 4y ago>Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way. The toilet paper thing would be anecdotical taken in isolation but the reasonable thing at this point is to leave as soon as you secure another similar paying job, even if it's 1/3 less of salary. Contrary to a lot of people I truly think that Musk has quite a lot of merit in the things he has accomplished. Just the fact of trying hard things should be acknowledged. But he has been unstable for a while, in a very obvious way. Who knows if there is some kind of medical condition behind. I know first hand of similar cases were erratic behavior was later found to be caused by some illness. Maybe it's just pressure or whatever. Anyway, my bet is that most people that remain at Twitter are interviewing like crazy.
- theCrowing 4y agoIf you shit on company time, do you really care about your company? /s
- sys_64738 4y agoElon is making an arse of Twitter.
- ss108 4y agoOf himself, actually
- bluelightning2k 4y agoHe probably fired the person who would have contracted the janitorial staff. It's a pretty good illustration of knock on effects. Pretty sure buying Twitter hasn't turned out to be the nerdy equivalent of a billionaire buying a NBA team he was hoping.
- Ekaros 4y agoThe workers are anyway doing overtime so they might as well clean-up after themselves right?
- more_corn 4y agoRemoving the janitorial was a deliberate act of penny-wise cost savings.
- rurban 4y agoAn NBA team would have been only 4b. And those owners are the shadiest of the shady. He paid 44b just to get rid of the government agencies controlling the news.
- leereeves 4y agoWhat janitorial service requires renewing the service every month? It's more likely someone cancelled it.
- nottorp 4y agoBut... all those code printouts Musk demanded...
- insyne 4y ago[flagged]
- the_only_law 4y agoWhy are you making shit up?
- para_parolu 4y ago> People dont poop when they are stressed I don’t think this is true
- bicx 4y ago> People dont poop when they are stressed. Not true. Some people get diarrhea when stressed. Like me.
- watwut 4y agoWhat are you talking about? They poop in the WC, not in the office.
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- pipeline_peak 4y agoI was on team Elon, I wanted to see him being free speech to Twitter. First he started banning users who talked about Mastodon. After this post I consider him unfit. You’re the richest man and you are cutting something as basic as toilet paper, you are a bimbo. These are peoples lives and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, he’s a degenerate.
- fortyseven 4y agoWhat, exactly, was the "free speech" you were being denied under the old guard, specifically?
- pipeline_peak 4y ago"Freedom of speech[2] is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
- jpeter 4y agoNot giving your employees toilet paper doesn't really cut costs. It's to show them they are worthless and expendable slaves
- Balgair 4y agoThough we're well past it, this reminds me of the 'Elves are leaving Middle Earth' state of companies. https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-%E2%80%93-soda%E2%80%99s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear... TP is much lower down on Maslow's Hierarchy than caffeine, of course. Tying up people with such basic requirements takes a lot of time away from 'hardcore' mode. But, I get away from myself. This is all looking at Elon decisions through logic; something we know is not there.
- scruple 4y agoI learned (the hard way), early in my 20s, to visit the facilities of every prospective employer and more than once I've declined to continue forward with interviews based on what I found. If they're not getting the fundamental basics of the office space right I don't have much hope for anything else.
- darthnebula 4y agoI work at Twitter and this article is nonsense. Yes, he is cutting costs, but there is no problem with the bathrooms that I've ever seen. Can't believe no one here is questioning this. I thought people on HN were smarter than this. Disappointing.
- rhaway84773 4y agoWhich office do you work at? And why would believing a random comment from someone who doesn’t even share which office they’re talking about be smarter? Especially when we know for a fact that Twitternisnt paying its office rent and has fired its janitorial staff in at least 1 office?