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I've definitely seen this sentiment. It's in avoiding burnout. It's in noticing that one is going hard but the returns just aren't there and focusing instead on

I've definitely seen this sentiment. It's in avoiding burnout. It's in noticing that one is going hard but the returns just aren't there and focusing instead on onesself or their family. But of course this isn't going to be written down about ;)

quanticle 4y ago
I guess my reaction is more about the fact that writing more is an instrumental goal, rather than a terminal goal. Writing is a tool. It is not an end in itself. Saying, "I want to write more," is like saying, "I want to buy more flour." Okay, sure, but what are you buying the flour for? Bread? Cookies? Cake? Just throwing into the air and making a mess? Similarly, writing more is a goal that only makes sense if you have some goal in mind and see writing as a tool to accomplish that goal. Otherwise, "I want to write more," is a goal that's so vague, it becomes impossible to achieve.
- vouaobrasil 4y ago
  I disagree. One can also want to write more as an end itself, simply to become a better writer.
  - quanticle 4y ago
    I disagree. One can also want to write more as an end itself, simply to become a better writer. You've contradicted yourself. Writing to become a better writer is a goal that's different than writing as an end in itself. Moreover, writing just for the sake of writing is not a very good way to become a better writer. Using word count goals to improve one's writing is like counting the number of times you kick a ball each day and using that as a measure of your progress as a soccer player.
    - john_the_writer 4y ago
      Well, that would be a measure. The number of lay-ups you do each day as a measure of basketball. The number of miles run as the measure of my ability to finish a marathon. As you write, you'd become better at getting ideas out of your head. Regardless of the grammar/vocabulary. You would be better at the act.
- schaefer 4y ago
  Read the article. This author’s specific goal is 500 words a day. There is nothing vague about that! For example, in my own journaling today, I’ve written 646 words. So clearly the goal is not “impossible to achieve”, as you’ve claimed.
  - quanticle 4y ago
    This author’s specific goal is 500 words a day. There is nothing vague about that! It's extremely vague. It's like saying, "I wish to turn a screwdriver five hundred times today." It's reasonable to ask, "For what purpose are you turning the screwdriver?" For example, in my own journaling today, I’ve written 646 words. So clearly the goal is not “impossible to achieve”, as you’ve claimed. And what terminal goal are you trying to achieve with this journal? And why is necessary for you to write > 500 per day to achieve that goal?
    - stackbutterflow 4y ago
      It's in the article. Literally under the "Why" paragraph.
      - quanticle 4y ago
        I presume this is the passage you're referring to: The problem is that I’m not getting much better at unprompted creative work. Observing problems and solving them, coming up with ideas and executing… those opportunities come few and far between in the university classroom. The problem is that writing is a total non sequitir of a answer to, "How can I get better at unprompted creative work?" There are lots of other things, from painting to programming to just going on walks that could make one better at unprompted creative work. So my question stands. Why writing? And why writing 500 words, specifically?
        stackbutterflow 4y ago
        Literally two lines below > But I’ve decided it’s time to take my creative development into my own hands and I’m starting with writing. He's starting with writing. He didn't say that writing is the only way to be more creative. Just that the author has decided to start with writing. Because you gotta start somewhere and he already has a blog.
- jraby3 4y ago
  Writing can be therapy. It can be a process where one learns by trying to explain it to someone else (the reader) so it helps to find holes in your argument or thinking. It’s a tool used daily to communicate - arguably the greatest invention of mankind. There are plenty of reasons to write.
  - quanticle 4y ago
    None of those things translate into a specific word count goal. That's the thing I'm specifically pushing back on here. Word count goals for a journal or blog or some other personal writing project make no sense. If you have to finish a book, and there's a specific deadline that you need to have that project done by, then a word count goal can be helpful in pushing you to make forward progress towards that objective. But for journaling? A word-count goal is a cargo-cult practice.

quanticle 4y ago

I guess my reaction is more about the fact that writing more is an instrumental goal, rather than a terminal goal. Writing is a tool. It is not an end in itself. Saying, "I want to write more," is like saying, "I want to buy more flour." Okay, sure, but what are you buying the flour for? Bread? Cookies? Cake? Just throwing into the air and making a mess? Similarly, writing more is a goal that only makes sense if you have some goal in mind and see writing as a tool to accomplish that goal. Otherwise, "I want to write more," is a goal that's so vague, it becomes impossible to achieve.

vouaobrasil 4y ago
I disagree. One can also want to write more as an end itself, simply to become a better writer.
- quanticle 4y ago
  I disagree. One can also want to write more as an end itself, simply to become a better writer. You've contradicted yourself. Writing to become a better writer is a goal that's different than writing as an end in itself. Moreover, writing just for the sake of writing is not a very good way to become a better writer. Using word count goals to improve one's writing is like counting the number of times you kick a ball each day and using that as a measure of your progress as a soccer player.
  - john_the_writer 4y ago
    Well, that would be a measure. The number of lay-ups you do each day as a measure of basketball. The number of miles run as the measure of my ability to finish a marathon. As you write, you'd become better at getting ideas out of your head. Regardless of the grammar/vocabulary. You would be better at the act.
schaefer 4y ago
Read the article. This author’s specific goal is 500 words a day. There is nothing vague about that! For example, in my own journaling today, I’ve written 646 words. So clearly the goal is not “impossible to achieve”, as you’ve claimed.
- quanticle 4y ago
  This author’s specific goal is 500 words a day. There is nothing vague about that! It's extremely vague. It's like saying, "I wish to turn a screwdriver five hundred times today." It's reasonable to ask, "For what purpose are you turning the screwdriver?" For example, in my own journaling today, I’ve written 646 words. So clearly the goal is not “impossible to achieve”, as you’ve claimed. And what terminal goal are you trying to achieve with this journal? And why is necessary for you to write > 500 per day to achieve that goal?
  - stackbutterflow 4y ago
    It's in the article. Literally under the "Why" paragraph.
    - quanticle 4y ago
      I presume this is the passage you're referring to: The problem is that I’m not getting much better at unprompted creative work. Observing problems and solving them, coming up with ideas and executing… those opportunities come few and far between in the university classroom. The problem is that writing is a total non sequitir of a answer to, "How can I get better at unprompted creative work?" There are lots of other things, from painting to programming to just going on walks that could make one better at unprompted creative work. So my question stands. Why writing? And why writing 500 words, specifically?
      - stackbutterflow 4y ago
        Literally two lines below > But I’ve decided it’s time to take my creative development into my own hands and I’m starting with writing. He's starting with writing. He didn't say that writing is the only way to be more creative. Just that the author has decided to start with writing. Because you gotta start somewhere and he already has a blog.
jraby3 4y ago
Writing can be therapy. It can be a process where one learns by trying to explain it to someone else (the reader) so it helps to find holes in your argument or thinking. It’s a tool used daily to communicate - arguably the greatest invention of mankind. There are plenty of reasons to write.
- quanticle 4y ago
  None of those things translate into a specific word count goal. That's the thing I'm specifically pushing back on here. Word count goals for a journal or blog or some other personal writing project make no sense. If you have to finish a book, and there's a specific deadline that you need to have that project done by, then a word count goal can be helpful in pushing you to make forward progress towards that objective. But for journaling? A word-count goal is a cargo-cult practice.