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I'm confused. They're too broke to move away from home, but their mental health is bad because they were coddled while they were at home and now they're no long

• objetovoador 4y ago
  > Is it possible maybe the problem is they are just a bit too entitled on average, and when things don't go perfectly they can't cope? Precisely. The world has never been safer or as rich, and it seems like my generation is extremely lacking in independence. Everyone has to be told to do things, it's like they have no concept of what to do without being commanded. I feel like many simply can't come up with answers on their own. No one can answer the question of how a person should their life. It's subjective. But like a muscle, it's completely atrophied. When you're never given independence, you don't recognize how to listen to your own desires or judgement. For me this explains perfectly the underlying situation behind the overbearing paternalism (from society & government) that so many apparently desire now.
  • plsbenice34 4y ago
    I think you hit the nail on the head, except that the word "entitled" is completely inappropriate to describe something entirely negative.
  • jasonhansel 4y ago
    At your age, do you think that previous generations were any better?
  • watwut 4y ago
    The younger generation was growing into worst economy that their parents generation did. Unemployment was higher. Their education is also massively more expensive. The Healthcare detto. It is just not true that they would be better off.
• patcon 4y ago
  > but damn if 20-somethings aren't emotionally fragile at a level the world has never seen before. 38 year old here. I do wonder if the sense of "emotionally fragile" has something to do with how we (America? Canada?) had been accustomed to only having ppl speaking about emotions once they'd sorted it out. Maybe ppl talking more about their emotions earlier looks a lot like ppl talking about things they don't understand yet. But maybe they're more likely to turn out as better ppl than you or I if they're communicating more and earlier and working things out, albeit with a whole lot of untenable conclusions while younger :)
• Max-q 4y ago
  > To be fair, I don't blame them. I think it’s fair to say that the blame is on us, the current parents generation. We have formed todays youth differently than our parents formed us.
  • yucky 4y ago
    That's a cop out, and only reinforces their internalized belief that literally nothing is their own fault. Find a Gen Z person who is fully accountable for their own actions and you will have located a unicorn. It's uncanny how in-sync that entire generation is with the idea that they are not only owed the world, but have no fault. They are crippled by the actions of "others" (whoever the others are doesn't matter - boomers, the rich, Trump, old people on scooters in Walmart...the who doesn't matter as long as they can point to someone else at fault for everything that hurts their feelings. I don't know how you grow out of a collective psychosis like that. It's cult-like.
    • BeFlatXIII 4y ago
      You’re mixing up “your responsibility to solve” with “you created this problem in the first place”
      • yucky 4y ago
        You don't see it as disrespectful to pretend Gen Z has no agency, no ability to actually solve their own self-induced problems? Everything is someone else's fault? Is there anything they have brought about upon themselves that they can solve themselves, or are they helpless?
        • BeFlatXIII 4y ago
          Why do you insist on missing the point? I never said they have no agency to solve their problems, only that they did not create the lion’s share of the problems.
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• plsbenice34 4y ago
  Harmful parenting styles lead to children that grow up to be debilitated and somehow it gets turned around to be called 'entitlement'. It's just shifting the blame from the bad parents to the child, like victim blaming.
  • bill_joy_fanboy 4y ago
    Whenever someone uses the word "entitled", I just hear my mom. People who participate in and contribute to society are entitled to things. They should have a sufficient wage, safe housing, food and clean water. If I as a tax-paying, working member of society am not "entitled" to anything, why would I care about the perpetuation of the society? If I'm not "entitled" to anything, why should I care about anything or anyone at all?
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    • solatic 4y ago
      Because in the real world, the only transactional relationships you ought to have are ones that explicitly involve money. It's difficult to learn to start to relate to people in a non-transactional manner, but it's necessary to develop genuine relationships.
      • bill_joy_fanboy 4y ago
        It's difficult to worry about higher-order emotions when your basic material needs aren't met.
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    • BeFlatXIII 4y ago
      Likewise, if the market price for housing and healthcare is unreasonably high, why would the populace continue to support capitalism?
• s5300 4y ago
  >> but damn if 20-somethings aren't emotionally fragile at a level the world has never seen before. And they're also all in therapy too and super in touch with their feelings and emotions which is supposed to help They’ve probably seen enough older people drink themselves to literal death, along with other types of deaths of despair, & make a conscious choice to not want to end up that way. Whether or not it will work out in the long term, nobody can tell for certain - but at least they’re trying.
  • yucky 4y ago
    Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Maybe the issue is that they literally have had it too good, and were too coddled, and now they can't handle regular life. If that's the case, what is the solution? Treat kids worse, make them face more adversity like previous generations did?
    • s5300 4y ago
      I really hope you’re being sarcastic but I genuinely cannot tell so I guess I’ll reply. >>Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Do you believe that we do not live in an age (with social media) in which it is much easier for anybody growing up to see exponentially a more examples of things I’ve mentioned? Just because things may be trending down, there is near infinitely more exposure. Kids used to see a town drunk they were told to stay away from & generally that they deserved their fate. Now they can go on any social media & find people who had full ride scholarships that had to drop out of a STEM PhD & now can’t even get their most basic of human needs met because of a long untreated disability or other medical issues. This may come as a surprise to you - but many younger people find that to be depressing as fuck & don’t see a point when they can easily meet the same fate. Just personal data: everybody I know who was treated as you suggest at the end now no longer speaks with or interacts their parents, whom regularly post things on Facebook like “I don’t know why none of my kids talk to me I was so good to them you all know I was waaah” I personally find this to be funny, but it’s probably not best for society at large. We should probably attempt to fix the underlying issue - which all too often seems to be, don’t treat your kids like shit - especially in the 21st century where it’s not hard to see there’s greener pastures to be experienced, even when estranged from family.
• bill_joy_fanboy 4y ago
  > Is it possible maybe the problem is they are just a bit too entitled on average, and when things don't go perfectly they can't cope? Maybe it's that things today are generally just worse than they used to be. It is generally harder to "cope" as a younger person than it was 20-40 years ago.
  • moistly 4y ago
    In the late seventies/early eighties we grew up believing we were going to die in a nuclear holocaust. Have you watched “The Day After” and “Threads”? Way worse on a child’s psyche than “Don’t Look Up” because doesn’t depict survival in an irradiated apocalypse of pain, wounds, death, and deprivation: everyone just gathers for a nice dinner and instant obliteration. We Gen-X coped with the grim possibility of nuclear death, and then coped with death by AIDS, and then coped with the ever-increasing reality of global environmental failure, from ozone holes to acid rain to the heat death of the planet, and then coped with being kicked in the teeth by massive financial failures again and again and again. Things have been worsening ever more rapidly my entire damn life and there’s no sign of it ever letting up. Yet somehow, still coping. I don’t think young people have it any worse than Gen-X has had it. Grumble, woe is me, get off my lawn, etc.
    • svnt 4y ago
      They don’t, but Gen X had Boomer or Silent generation parents who mostly refused to relate emotionally. So punk, angst, grunge made its way into public communication instead. Gen Z is lucky in a sense to have mostly Gen X or younger parents, who are like, yeah, it sucks, I feel you. This is validating for Gen Z is a wonderful way and I hope that everyone complaining about emotional entitlement can come to understand that while it may be uncomfortable for them because they don’t speak the language, it is not a weakness, it is a strength.
      • yucky 4y ago
        > it is not a weakness, it is a strength. How so? They're all so depressed, and hopeless. What part of that is strong? How is that beneficial?
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• NERD_ALERT 4y ago
  > And they're also all in therapy too and super in touch with their feelings and emotions which is supposed to help, but is actually likely to be a large part of the problem. Can you elaborate on how going to therapy is “a large part of the problem.”
  • yucky 4y ago
    If you think you think you need therapy for every little thing, how exactly would you function as an adult? Adults develop coping skills. If you can't cope with anything, you can't function as an adult.