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The survey does not claim to represent the general population. Many participants were recruited from places like FetLife, which you'd expect to lean heavily tow

The survey does not claim to represent the general population. Many participants were recruited from places like FetLife, which you'd expect to lean heavily towards kink: https://aella.substack.com/p/who-took-my-big-kink-survey https://aella.substack.com/p/who-took-my-big-kink-survey But the results are still interesting for comparative purposes, as well as the opinions of how the general population views each kink. For example, it's kind of remarkable that pedophilia is considered worse than cannibalism, "meatslaves" and "woundfucking", both new words I learned today.

FeistySkink 4y ago
After reading this comment, I'm convinced we need a NSFW flag.
- n-e-w 4y ago
  I would have thought the title of the article would have been sufficient to prevent you clicking it in a work context :/
coldtea 4y ago
>For example, it's kind of remarkable that pedophilia is considered worse than cannibalism, "meatslaves" and "woundfucking", both new words I learned today. The first is considered as something very real, quite widespread, and very common danger. The others are see as very exotic/extreme fringe. So it's not exactly considering e.g. cannibalism "less taboo", it's just that this and the others you mention seem to unreal and rare to warrant serious consideration. If there were cannibalism stories in the news with the same frequency it would be just up there with pedophilia
- tshaddox 4y ago
  Do people generally take “cannibalism” to mean murdering someone and then eating them, or just eating human flesh? I thought the latter is the normal sense of the word, and in that case I don’t think it holds a candle to pedophilia.
  - phiy 4y ago
    Generally, people don't give up their meat freely. There was a weird case in germany where a guy was dying and gave his body to a cannibal. They still arrested and charged him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
    - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
      I really don't like that this case is always put forward as the poster child of our community. We generally do not feel represented by this case.
  - coldtea 4y ago
    You mean the casual eating of another person's flesh you buy at the grocery store? Yes, that's pretty tame...
    - msla 4y ago
      Or, in the real world, funerary cannibalism.
FatActor 4y ago
Just because someone is on Fet doesn't mean they are in kids or dogs. There are lots of "just here for some experimentation" or "just had a divorce, need to party" or "20 somethings wanting to be edgy for a few months so they can say `I did that thing`" types of people that pop in and leave in a few months and don't really build the community. They seem like normal vanilla folk who wanted to give it an honest go, which makes me think surveying Fet doesn't mean "extreme kink" is over-represented because of it.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  It's surely still going to be overrepresented compared to the general population.
  - FatActor 4y ago
    No. I don't see how "surely" is meaningful when Kinsey demonstrated the entire population is kinky a/f with much larger, rigorous surveys four decades ago.
    - GauntletWizard 4y ago
      Kinsey's results were pretty much entirely made up, as his victims coming out over time have proven.
      - Hizonner 4y ago
        OK, wait. If he made everything up, what were the victims for?
        GauntletWizard 4y ago
        He abused kids and then wrote whatever he wanted about their reactions. Wrote some absolutely crazy leading questionaires that he doctored the answers to anyway. Was a close friend of Marion Zimmer-Bradley's husband, Walter Breen, which is actually pretty easy to find in writings but is scrubbed from the internet very effectively.
GuB-42 4y ago
Not that surprising. Pedophilia is probably the biggest taboo in western society right now. In some cases worse than murder. Consider that pedophilia is maybe the only instance of a "thought crime" in western democracies. That is: you are guilty of a crime if you possess depiction of child pornography that comes from your own imagination (like lolicon). We have several TV shows (real and fiction) that focus on "child predators" in the same way that crime stories focus on murderers. I am also not aware of any mainstream work with a pedophile with any redeeming feature, but there are many works with sympathetic murderers (ex: Dexter). And a lot of "anti-privacy" laws use child abuse as an excuse: not murder, not arson, only terrorism comes close. Pedophilia is put on the same level as mass murder! Note that some fetishes in that list are pure fantasy, "transforming" and "dragons" for example. You can roleplay your fetish, it doesn't have to be real, especially if it is a crime, but even fantasy pedophilia is taboo. I would have liked to see "age play" in the list though, it can be borderline pedophilia (adults acting as children), but with less stigma associated with it.
- userbinator 4y ago
  I would have liked to see "age play" in the list though There's "rapid age regression" at 70,3
- RichardCA 4y ago
  > I am also not aware of any mainstream work with a pedophile with any redeeming feature. The 1998 movie "Happiness" attempted to depict the plight in a humanizing way. https://youtu.be/_t-kjZ1cxoE https://youtu.be/_t-kjZ1cxoE
  - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
    that movie is seriously a mind fuck ... if you like super crazy movies with sexual undertones (and overtones), check out Sorry to Bother You and Endless Poetry
    - RichardCA 4y ago
      In the 30 years since I left college, I've seen two people from my old circle of friends turn into sex offenders. One molested his stepdaughter (and had to endure prison during the worst of Covid). The other (from my nerd/hacker peer group) got busted with several CD's containing hundreds of MB's of child porn. He got someting like 18 months in prison and was able to return to his job, which was a low-level programing job for state government. I think it's imporant to not dehumanize the people who do this because of rather shocking frequency with which it happens. So yes, I admire Dylan Baker for having the courage to play that character straight instead of some abstract, unreal monster. At the very least he deserved an Oscar nomination.

FeistySkink 4y ago

After reading this comment, I'm convinced we need a NSFW flag.

n-e-w 4y ago
I would have thought the title of the article would have been sufficient to prevent you clicking it in a work context :/

coldtea 4y ago

>For example, it's kind of remarkable that pedophilia is considered worse than cannibalism, "meatslaves" and "woundfucking", both new words I learned today. The first is considered as something very real, quite widespread, and very common danger. The others are see as very exotic/extreme fringe. So it's not exactly considering e.g. cannibalism "less taboo", it's just that this and the others you mention seem to unreal and rare to warrant serious consideration. If there were cannibalism stories in the news with the same frequency it would be just up there with pedophilia

tshaddox 4y ago
Do people generally take “cannibalism” to mean murdering someone and then eating them, or just eating human flesh? I thought the latter is the normal sense of the word, and in that case I don’t think it holds a candle to pedophilia.
- phiy 4y ago
  Generally, people don't give up their meat freely. There was a weird case in germany where a guy was dying and gave his body to a cannibal. They still arrested and charged him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
  - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
    I really don't like that this case is always put forward as the poster child of our community. We generally do not feel represented by this case.
- coldtea 4y ago
  You mean the casual eating of another person's flesh you buy at the grocery store? Yes, that's pretty tame...
  - msla 4y ago
    Or, in the real world, funerary cannibalism.

FatActor 4y ago

Just because someone is on Fet doesn't mean they are in kids or dogs. There are lots of "just here for some experimentation" or "just had a divorce, need to party" or "20 somethings wanting to be edgy for a few months so they can say `I did that thing`" types of people that pop in and leave in a few months and don't really build the community. They seem like normal vanilla folk who wanted to give it an honest go, which makes me think surveying Fet doesn't mean "extreme kink" is over-represented because of it.

nicoburns 4y ago
It's surely still going to be overrepresented compared to the general population.
- FatActor 4y ago
  No. I don't see how "surely" is meaningful when Kinsey demonstrated the entire population is kinky a/f with much larger, rigorous surveys four decades ago.
  - GauntletWizard 4y ago
    Kinsey's results were pretty much entirely made up, as his victims coming out over time have proven.
    - Hizonner 4y ago
      OK, wait. If he made everything up, what were the victims for?
      - GauntletWizard 4y ago
        He abused kids and then wrote whatever he wanted about their reactions. Wrote some absolutely crazy leading questionaires that he doctored the answers to anyway. Was a close friend of Marion Zimmer-Bradley's husband, Walter Breen, which is actually pretty easy to find in writings but is scrubbed from the internet very effectively.

GuB-42 4y ago

Not that surprising. Pedophilia is probably the biggest taboo in western society right now. In some cases worse than murder. Consider that pedophilia is maybe the only instance of a "thought crime" in western democracies. That is: you are guilty of a crime if you possess depiction of child pornography that comes from your own imagination (like lolicon). We have several TV shows (real and fiction) that focus on "child predators" in the same way that crime stories focus on murderers. I am also not aware of any mainstream work with a pedophile with any redeeming feature, but there are many works with sympathetic murderers (ex: Dexter). And a lot of "anti-privacy" laws use child abuse as an excuse: not murder, not arson, only terrorism comes close. Pedophilia is put on the same level as mass murder! Note that some fetishes in that list are pure fantasy, "transforming" and "dragons" for example. You can roleplay your fetish, it doesn't have to be real, especially if it is a crime, but even fantasy pedophilia is taboo. I would have liked to see "age play" in the list though, it can be borderline pedophilia (adults acting as children), but with less stigma associated with it.

userbinator 4y ago
I would have liked to see "age play" in the list though There's "rapid age regression" at 70,3
RichardCA 4y ago
> I am also not aware of any mainstream work with a pedophile with any redeeming feature. The 1998 movie "Happiness" attempted to depict the plight in a humanizing way. https://youtu.be/_t-kjZ1cxoE https://youtu.be/_t-kjZ1cxoE
- 2-718-281-828 4y ago
  that movie is seriously a mind fuck ... if you like super crazy movies with sexual undertones (and overtones), check out Sorry to Bother You and Endless Poetry
  - RichardCA 4y ago
    In the 30 years since I left college, I've seen two people from my old circle of friends turn into sex offenders. One molested his stepdaughter (and had to endure prison during the worst of Covid). The other (from my nerd/hacker peer group) got busted with several CD's containing hundreds of MB's of child porn. He got someting like 18 months in prison and was able to return to his job, which was a low-level programing job for state government. I think it's imporant to not dehumanize the people who do this because of rather shocking frequency with which it happens. So yes, I admire Dylan Baker for having the courage to play that character straight instead of some abstract, unreal monster. At the very least he deserved an Oscar nomination.