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Control for risk factor such as age, and confounding factors such as having little organized medical infrastructure. If all of your vulnerable population has a
by csours 4y ago
Control for risk factor such as age, and confounding factors such as having little organized medical infrastructure.
If all of your vulnerable population has already died...
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- walterbell 4y agoEven when the US comparison is limited to young people, there is still a huge delta.
- loeg 4y agoCan you elaborate on this claim? The article does not make it and I have not seen it made in comments here.
- walterbell 4y ago78 Haitian vs 136 US deaths per million, below 50 years old, as of 2022, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34181711 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34181711
- dogma1138 4y agoAge isn’t the only factor how many Americans under the age of 50 are living with a compromised immune system and other factors vs Hatians?
- walterbell 4y agoOverall immunocompromised in the US is 3%, so that number will be smaller after the elderly are excluded. If we discount 136 per million by 3% (max), that leaves about 132 US deaths per million for non-immunocompromised people below 50 years. Per other comments and a linked article, poor Haitian healthcare infrastructure means that people with chronic conditions often die from those conditions, so the number of 78 Haitian deaths per million is unlikely to change due to immunocompromised people, https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/16/haiti-has-lower-coronavirus-death-counts-with-few-restrictions-why/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/16/haiti-has-lo... > in (the U.S.) people who have those diseases, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, we extend their life by giving them good health treatment. Well in Haiti, people don’t have access to that treatment. ... If you’re elderly and you have a disease, you die if you live in the provinces. While the brainstorming and proposed theories are interesting, there are three years of articles linked above, which all conclude that the reasons remain unknown. Obvious factors like age, location, vaccines, masks and lockdowns have already been ruled out as a singular explanation. Genetics might be a possibility. This seems like a topic worthy of scientific study, not just for Haiti, with potential lessons for billions of people around the world.
- loeg 4y agoDo you think the distribution of ages between Haiti and US under 50 is the same? And that the methodology and reporting are similar? Those numbers seem to be in a similar ballpark without accounting for obvious possible differences.
- walterbell 4y agoAs ChatGPT(s) might say, one could imagine multiple options, including "nothing to see here", yet "worthy of rebuttal".
- loeg 4y agoOk. Given the context, lack of plausible mechanism for explaining the observed difference, and lots of obvious possible confounding variables that have not been controlled, I would lean towards "nothing to see."
- nradov 4y agoThere aren't many sedentary, obese type-2 diabetics in Haiti. That probably makes a huge difference in death rates.