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if you could predict when certain phenomenon will occur, then act as if you are somehow in control of these things, you can spin up public perceptions of god-ho

by rolph 4y ago

if you could predict when certain phenomenon will occur, then act as if you are somehow in control of these things, you can spin up public perceptions of god-hood

paulcole 4y ago
Just wait until your enemies spin up public perceptions of your witch-hood.
- rolph 4y ago
  im thinking in the context of pre-judeo christian society. these tablets are close to 4000 years old. being possesed by gods was an in thing, a believe demons were a prechristian idea as well, so if witch, and demon could be interchanged somehow, i think that fits the era.
MonkeyClub 4y ago
Exactly, especially when you announce it to your subjects in large heavily incensed halls.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  I can think of a few things you might be implying with your wording but none of them make much sense in context.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    Anyone wanna fill me in? If it wasn’t clear, I was implying I’d like to be able to understand the implications of what I’m reading.
    - noisy_boy 4y ago
      If I had to take a guess: the scene being depicted in the comment could apply to any powerful king/priest of the past - imagine halls full of incense and chanting creating a feeling of mass hypnosis/hysteria (possibly intensified with consumption of psychedelics) and the booming voice of the king/priest proclaims their power over celestial objects - and it comes true due to normal celestial events/eclipses!
      - MonkeyClub 4y ago
        If I’m not mistaken (and there is an old HN thread that I can’t dig up now), the Babylonians used cannabis in their incense.
teleforce 4y ago
This is how the self claimed god-king of the old namely Namrod and Pharaoh misled their subjects and claimed false deity. In the Bible (Old Testament) and Quran there are stories of Pharaoh during Moses time cruelly and pre-emptively killed all the Jewish new born sons based under the heavenly knowledge that he will be eventually overthrown by a Jewish prophet. According to legends and history, he gathered this prediction information from his sorcerers with their Genie partners eavesdropping the angels conversation because in the old days these eavesdropping activities was feasible and now abruptly stopped after the Quran revelation.
- adastra22 4y ago
  It makes for an interesting story, but you realize this has zero correlation with Egyptian sources and is almost certainly invented?
  - teleforce 4y ago
    Time will tell whether it has zero correlation with Egyption sources and whether it's almost certainly invented. A simple search on Amazon on 'Egypt' and 'Exodus' returned several results of books written by the scholars including the following books [1],[2]. There is also a link to the video documentary regarding the Real Mount Sinai in my other comments. [1] Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition: https://academic.oup.com/book/25374 https://academic.oup.com/book/25374 [2] Origin of the Hebrews: New Evidences of Israelites in Egypt From Joseph to The Exodus: https://www.swrc.com/the-douglas-petrovich-collection-douglas-petrovich.html https://www.swrc.com/the-douglas-petrovich-collection-dougla...
    - RogerL 4y ago
      A simple google search reveals youtube videos and books on how the world is flat. It ain't flat. swrc is not a valid source of biblical scholarshp, Douglas Petrovich publishes fringe theories and is not someone you want to be citing for biblical research. To wit, he argues that the tower of babel is the only reasonable explanation for the number of languages we have in the world. He is self proclaimed inerrantist and creationist[1]. Why? Because God talked to him and told him it was true. This is not scholarship. That linked video (mine, not yours) is pretty interesting - he talks about being rejected in academia, colleagues won't speak to him, etc. He unfortunately interprets this as rejection of the Christian God, not because his 'research' is shoddy and unsupported, and takes it as proof that he is right. I don't say this to mock him, he is in tears at the end, but to point out he isn't doing scholarship and isn't considered a reliable source in academia. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbY-y97Yao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbY-y97Yao
kshay 4y ago
I’ll blot out the sun! http://stewartgreenhill.com/articles/eclipse-saves-the-day/index.html http://stewartgreenhill.com/articles/eclipse-saves-the-day/i...
pastacacioepepe 4y ago
Basically the Hari Seldon way of saving the galaxy

by rolph 4y ago

if you could predict when certain phenomenon will occur, then act as if you are somehow in control of these things, you can spin up public perceptions of god-hood

paulcole 4y ago

Just wait until your enemies spin up public perceptions of your witch-hood.

rolph 4y ago
im thinking in the context of pre-judeo christian society. these tablets are close to 4000 years old. being possesed by gods was an in thing, a believe demons were a prechristian idea as well, so if witch, and demon could be interchanged somehow, i think that fits the era.

MonkeyClub 4y ago

Exactly, especially when you announce it to your subjects in large heavily incensed halls.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
I can think of a few things you might be implying with your wording but none of them make much sense in context.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  Anyone wanna fill me in? If it wasn’t clear, I was implying I’d like to be able to understand the implications of what I’m reading.
  - noisy_boy 4y ago
    If I had to take a guess: the scene being depicted in the comment could apply to any powerful king/priest of the past - imagine halls full of incense and chanting creating a feeling of mass hypnosis/hysteria (possibly intensified with consumption of psychedelics) and the booming voice of the king/priest proclaims their power over celestial objects - and it comes true due to normal celestial events/eclipses!
    - MonkeyClub 4y ago
      If I’m not mistaken (and there is an old HN thread that I can’t dig up now), the Babylonians used cannabis in their incense.

teleforce 4y ago

This is how the self claimed god-king of the old namely Namrod and Pharaoh misled their subjects and claimed false deity. In the Bible (Old Testament) and Quran there are stories of Pharaoh during Moses time cruelly and pre-emptively killed all the Jewish new born sons based under the heavenly knowledge that he will be eventually overthrown by a Jewish prophet. According to legends and history, he gathered this prediction information from his sorcerers with their Genie partners eavesdropping the angels conversation because in the old days these eavesdropping activities was feasible and now abruptly stopped after the Quran revelation.

adastra22 4y ago
It makes for an interesting story, but you realize this has zero correlation with Egyptian sources and is almost certainly invented?
- teleforce 4y ago
  Time will tell whether it has zero correlation with Egyption sources and whether it's almost certainly invented. A simple search on Amazon on 'Egypt' and 'Exodus' returned several results of books written by the scholars including the following books [1],[2]. There is also a link to the video documentary regarding the Real Mount Sinai in my other comments. [1] Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition: https://academic.oup.com/book/25374 https://academic.oup.com/book/25374 [2] Origin of the Hebrews: New Evidences of Israelites in Egypt From Joseph to The Exodus: https://www.swrc.com/the-douglas-petrovich-collection-douglas-petrovich.html https://www.swrc.com/the-douglas-petrovich-collection-dougla...
  - RogerL 4y ago
    A simple google search reveals youtube videos and books on how the world is flat. It ain't flat. swrc is not a valid source of biblical scholarshp, Douglas Petrovich publishes fringe theories and is not someone you want to be citing for biblical research. To wit, he argues that the tower of babel is the only reasonable explanation for the number of languages we have in the world. He is self proclaimed inerrantist and creationist[1]. Why? Because God talked to him and told him it was true. This is not scholarship. That linked video (mine, not yours) is pretty interesting - he talks about being rejected in academia, colleagues won't speak to him, etc. He unfortunately interprets this as rejection of the Christian God, not because his 'research' is shoddy and unsupported, and takes it as proof that he is right. I don't say this to mock him, he is in tears at the end, but to point out he isn't doing scholarship and isn't considered a reliable source in academia. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbY-y97Yao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbY-y97Yao

kshay 4y ago

I’ll blot out the sun! http://stewartgreenhill.com/articles/eclipse-saves-the-day/index.html http://stewartgreenhill.com/articles/eclipse-saves-the-day/i...

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

Basically the Hari Seldon way of saving the galaxy