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Do you feel they should have a disclaimer about it being harder to take picture of dark skinned people in many settings with their cameras as well? Did you act

by Teever 4y ago

Do you feel they should have a disclaimer about it being harder to take picture of dark skinned people in many settings with their cameras as well? Did you actually read the ToS or EULA?

BugsJustFindMe 4y ago
There are slightly different rules for health devices than for leisure ones. If the problem is real, then it seems reasonable to me for Apple (and everyone else, just to be clear) to be made to amend their printed materials to properly disclose well-known-to-Apple problems with oximetry in darker skin. Again, if the problem is real, then they guy deserves a refund, fees covered, maybe a small token for the effort, and for Apple to not make product claims that it can't fulfill. I do hope it doesn't turn into a giant thing though.
- vasqw 4y ago
  From what I've read the device is FDA-approved so I don't see the issue.
- itsyaboi 4y ago
  Is "health device" to medical device as homeopathy is to actual medicine?
  - BugsJustFindMe 4y ago
    No?
    - itsyaboi 4y ago
      What is a "health device"? I'm assuming you used the term intentionally and did not mean "medical device" which carries certain legal implications.
- Someone 4y ago
  > and for Apple to not make product claims that it can't fulfill. What claim did they make? AFAIK, their page on the oximeter always had a disclaimer (the current one says “Blood Oxygen app measurements are not intended for medical use, including self-diagnosis or consultation with a doctor, and are only designed for general fitness and wellness purposes”)
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    A better disclaimer would state the possibility that these oxygen readings are inaccurate for more than 50% of the world's population.
    - 1123581321 4y ago
      Such a disclaimer would say 100%.
lynndotpy 4y ago
I do read the ToS and I skim the EULA. I skim the ToS between OS releases (so maybe it's possible the latest point release acknowledges this.) To be clear, I don't think it'd be acceptable for this to be hidden in the Terms either way. And no, that's not really equivalent either. And the drawback becomes immediately evident to almost anyone taking photos, since they have their own eyes to compare to.
mcphage 4y ago
> Do you feel they should have a disclaimer about it being harder to take picture of dark skinned people in many settings with their cameras as well? Yeah, I kinda do.

by Teever 4y ago

Do you feel they should have a disclaimer about it being harder to take picture of dark skinned people in many settings with their cameras as well? Did you actually read the ToS or EULA?

BugsJustFindMe 4y ago

There are slightly different rules for health devices than for leisure ones. If the problem is real, then it seems reasonable to me for Apple (and everyone else, just to be clear) to be made to amend their printed materials to properly disclose well-known-to-Apple problems with oximetry in darker skin. Again, if the problem is real, then they guy deserves a refund, fees covered, maybe a small token for the effort, and for Apple to not make product claims that it can't fulfill. I do hope it doesn't turn into a giant thing though.

vasqw 4y ago
From what I've read the device is FDA-approved so I don't see the issue.
itsyaboi 4y ago
Is "health device" to medical device as homeopathy is to actual medicine?
- BugsJustFindMe 4y ago
  No?
  - itsyaboi 4y ago
    What is a "health device"? I'm assuming you used the term intentionally and did not mean "medical device" which carries certain legal implications.
Someone 4y ago
> and for Apple to not make product claims that it can't fulfill. What claim did they make? AFAIK, their page on the oximeter always had a disclaimer (the current one says “Blood Oxygen app measurements are not intended for medical use, including self-diagnosis or consultation with a doctor, and are only designed for general fitness and wellness purposes”)
- ashwagary 4y ago
  A better disclaimer would state the possibility that these oxygen readings are inaccurate for more than 50% of the world's population.
  - 1123581321 4y ago
    Such a disclaimer would say 100%.

lynndotpy 4y ago

I do read the ToS and I skim the EULA. I skim the ToS between OS releases (so maybe it's possible the latest point release acknowledges this.) To be clear, I don't think it'd be acceptable for this to be hidden in the Terms either way. And no, that's not really equivalent either. And the drawback becomes immediately evident to almost anyone taking photos, since they have their own eyes to compare to.

mcphage 4y ago

> Do you feel they should have a disclaimer about it being harder to take picture of dark skinned people in many settings with their cameras as well? Yeah, I kinda do.