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The right to privacy is different from privacy itself. I believe there should be due process and warrants before they can use data against you, and that people

The right to privacy is different from privacy itself. I believe there should be due process and warrants before they can use data against you, and that people have a right to know how secure something is or isn't. That doesn't mean I personally need to keep Google from knowing when I go to the store.

yikesonbikes 4y ago
I turned on location services on Twitter just so Elon knew where I was at all times. I'm working on a bot that will upload all of my search queries and every bedroom conversation from my Alexa, then share it with him directly (since Twitter STILL lacks this feature) Not that he cares, of course, but if it helps his bottom line, I figured "why not?" He and Google (who are Good) will notice me any day now!
- yikesonbikes 4y ago
  elon plz hurry and notice me, they're downvoting this idea now (posted from iPhone 6.9.3+d4e2a0b3ef at 37.986776, -76.187412 while drinking a refreshing Coke Zero and having my morning cigarette like you know i do everyday)
  - eternityforest 4y ago
    You fool! You've revealed your secret base in Chesapeake Bay! I'm sending my cigarette extinguishing no fun drones, which now include a prerecorded lecture on the health effects of Coke, as per regulations, before they explode and kill you.
    - yikesonbikes 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - eternityforest 4y ago
        Never mind, I got reassign for special energetics and processing duty and I'm no longer running SWAT. I don't know what that means because we aren't allowed to ask but I'm sure it's not being used as a living CPU and battery.
catiopatio 4y ago
Due process is mostly useful after the fact, when you have the opportunity, at great personal expense, to convince the DA, judge, and/or jury that the criminal justice apparatus screwed up in charging you. Warrants are easily acquired, and you will be charged based on a far lower standard of evidence than the state must meet to convict you. While you can then avail yourself of due process, the deck is stacked against you — the cost to adequately defend yourself is astronomical. You’re likely to take a plea deal to avoid the expense and risk of a trial; an enormous number of innocent people take plea deals or are wrongfully convicted every single day. Better to keep the fox out of the hen house in the first place.
- eternityforest 4y ago
  Ideally, yes, it would definitely be best to not be exposed to the risk of prosecution for some data glitch. But you also have to look at the risk of getting fired because you missed an email if your self-hosted solution goes down, losing your wallet because you didn't have Tile tracking, extra risk of getting sick because you didn't get enough sleep while dealing with some last minute tech issue to make your more-private system work, getting lost because the open source app had worse data or compass calibration algorithms than Maps, getting money stolen because you used crypto that can't be reversed, etc. The current suite of nonprivate tech offers an insane amount of power, especially for those of us without a good memory or navigational skills. I guess it's the same issue with unions and protests, people who are one paycheck away from the streets won't risk a strike, because they'll lose everything by the time they get the benefits.
  - 29083011397778 4y ago
    > The current suite of nonprivate tech offers an insane amount of power, especially for those of us without a good memory or navigational skills. Do you think relying on these tools has made your memory better (allowing you to wean yourself off them), or worse (creating a customer for life)? I firmly believe it creates a sort of learned helplessness in people, in the same way the commercial internet in general is bad for ones memory or attention span. Given how many people seem to believe Google Maps has gotten much more in-your-face (instead of doing its job and getting out of the way) over the last few years, but so few are willing to abandon it, I suspect I'm right: using the tools you find (and are!) so helpful creates a dependence on them.
catiopatio 4y ago
Putting the government question aside, what prevents Google and advertisers from using your own data to your disadvantage? For example: personalizing pricing based on how much you’re likely to be willing to pay. I’m flying to a tropical destination in a couple weeks, I live in a cold climate, and I just ordered a bunch of new warm weather clothes and some swim suits for my trip. Any corporation with access to my email would know about my trip, my home address, any previous online clothing purchases, and how much I paid for given articles of clothing. Using that, they can make a decent estimate of how elastic my demand is for the new clothes, and how much I’m willing to pay — especially if they leverage detailed financial information that’s readily available from data brokers. How much would retailers by willing to pay for that kind of pricing insight? How much would you overpay for goods and services thanks to that massive information asymmetry, in exchange for free e-mail hosting? That’s not a far-fetched future; giving corporations, data brokers, and the government access to the most intricate inner-most details of your life hastens its arrival, and is dangerously and willfully naive.
- eternityforest 4y ago
  Nothing really. The main thing is that it would be very very hard for them to make more of a disadvantage to me than a low tech life would naturally cause. I'll always be a fan of open source tech, and I 100% support right to privacy in private spaces. But we can't join every single protest in the world. Five minutes delay fussing with buggy apps could mean missing a bus. Not having Google Services would probably mean I couldn't use important work apps. Not having location history could mean not being able to find something you dropped. And not using Amazon prime would almost make some areas into prisons if you can't drive.

yikesonbikes 4y ago

I turned on location services on Twitter just so Elon knew where I was at all times. I'm working on a bot that will upload all of my search queries and every bedroom conversation from my Alexa, then share it with him directly (since Twitter STILL lacks this feature) Not that he cares, of course, but if it helps his bottom line, I figured "why not?" He and Google (who are Good) will notice me any day now!

yikesonbikes 4y ago
elon plz hurry and notice me, they're downvoting this idea now (posted from iPhone 6.9.3+d4e2a0b3ef at 37.986776, -76.187412 while drinking a refreshing Coke Zero and having my morning cigarette like you know i do everyday)
- eternityforest 4y ago
  You fool! You've revealed your secret base in Chesapeake Bay! I'm sending my cigarette extinguishing no fun drones, which now include a prerecorded lecture on the health effects of Coke, as per regulations, before they explode and kill you.
  - yikesonbikes 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - eternityforest 4y ago
      Never mind, I got reassign for special energetics and processing duty and I'm no longer running SWAT. I don't know what that means because we aren't allowed to ask but I'm sure it's not being used as a living CPU and battery.

catiopatio 4y ago

Due process is mostly useful after the fact, when you have the opportunity, at great personal expense, to convince the DA, judge, and/or jury that the criminal justice apparatus screwed up in charging you. Warrants are easily acquired, and you will be charged based on a far lower standard of evidence than the state must meet to convict you. While you can then avail yourself of due process, the deck is stacked against you — the cost to adequately defend yourself is astronomical. You’re likely to take a plea deal to avoid the expense and risk of a trial; an enormous number of innocent people take plea deals or are wrongfully convicted every single day. Better to keep the fox out of the hen house in the first place.

eternityforest 4y ago
Ideally, yes, it would definitely be best to not be exposed to the risk of prosecution for some data glitch. But you also have to look at the risk of getting fired because you missed an email if your self-hosted solution goes down, losing your wallet because you didn't have Tile tracking, extra risk of getting sick because you didn't get enough sleep while dealing with some last minute tech issue to make your more-private system work, getting lost because the open source app had worse data or compass calibration algorithms than Maps, getting money stolen because you used crypto that can't be reversed, etc. The current suite of nonprivate tech offers an insane amount of power, especially for those of us without a good memory or navigational skills. I guess it's the same issue with unions and protests, people who are one paycheck away from the streets won't risk a strike, because they'll lose everything by the time they get the benefits.
- 29083011397778 4y ago
  > The current suite of nonprivate tech offers an insane amount of power, especially for those of us without a good memory or navigational skills. Do you think relying on these tools has made your memory better (allowing you to wean yourself off them), or worse (creating a customer for life)? I firmly believe it creates a sort of learned helplessness in people, in the same way the commercial internet in general is bad for ones memory or attention span. Given how many people seem to believe Google Maps has gotten much more in-your-face (instead of doing its job and getting out of the way) over the last few years, but so few are willing to abandon it, I suspect I'm right: using the tools you find (and are!) so helpful creates a dependence on them.

catiopatio 4y ago

Putting the government question aside, what prevents Google and advertisers from using your own data to your disadvantage? For example: personalizing pricing based on how much you’re likely to be willing to pay. I’m flying to a tropical destination in a couple weeks, I live in a cold climate, and I just ordered a bunch of new warm weather clothes and some swim suits for my trip. Any corporation with access to my email would know about my trip, my home address, any previous online clothing purchases, and how much I paid for given articles of clothing. Using that, they can make a decent estimate of how elastic my demand is for the new clothes, and how much I’m willing to pay — especially if they leverage detailed financial information that’s readily available from data brokers. How much would retailers by willing to pay for that kind of pricing insight? How much would you overpay for goods and services thanks to that massive information asymmetry, in exchange for free e-mail hosting? That’s not a far-fetched future; giving corporations, data brokers, and the government access to the most intricate inner-most details of your life hastens its arrival, and is dangerously and willfully naive.

eternityforest 4y ago
Nothing really. The main thing is that it would be very very hard for them to make more of a disadvantage to me than a low tech life would naturally cause. I'll always be a fan of open source tech, and I 100% support right to privacy in private spaces. But we can't join every single protest in the world. Five minutes delay fussing with buggy apps could mean missing a bus. Not having Google Services would probably mean I couldn't use important work apps. Not having location history could mean not being able to find something you dropped. And not using Amazon prime would almost make some areas into prisons if you can't drive.