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Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? Didn't you say there are more important things to spend time on? Getting ostracized (probab

Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? Didn't you say there are more important things to spend time on? Getting ostracized (probably an exaggeration) for refusing to comply is so unimportant and so pointless.

lostmsu 4y ago
The answer to that question is the same as to this hypothetical: what if I ask you to move pencil next to you 1cm to the left and you are busy. When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Moreover, people ban the sources, and share the list with every other good player, so they wouldn't have to deal with the same problem. Also re "something so unimportant". I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency.
- roflyear 4y ago
  If it means pissing off my boss if I don't, even if it is stupid, I'd probably move the pencil to not cause trouble over nothing. I'm not a child.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    How about a totally unrelated to you person? And you also know there's a viral campaign to make random people move pencils 1cm to the left?
    - roflyear 4y ago
      I think you're really blowing this out of the water here and making a bigger deal than it is. I'm in a very liberal area and this hasn't come up at all. To me it sounds like you're against discussing those things - which sounds like trying to suppress speech, imo.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        Ridiculous. We are discussing it right now. Clearly you are not thinking but feeling instead.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        How is everyone wrong except you?
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > everyone You are taking on a lot here. Besides, number of people agreeing has no consequences on objective reality. So I disagree with both validity/applicability of the argument, and its premise.
        roflyear 4y ago
        We're not discussing the merits of using "main" over "master" - we haven't discussed that at all. You're making some politically charged (b/c of the phrases and language you're using, I feel it is this way) argument about why it's bad to change terms of things in general. We haven't gotten to the point of discussing the benefits of this specific thing, and to me it seems like you don't want to discuss them (or the lack of them) b/c you're sold on it being a bad thing, no matter what. It is obviously good to change certain terms. For example, we don't call Asian people Orientals anymore.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      When your example boils down to something so ridiculous, it's a statement on you, not the thing you are debating.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        Lol what? The thread here is asking why would I or anyone else would refuse to tolerate a "minor inconvenience". And the example is spot on. Keep up man, you are out of line with personal attacks.
        freejazz 4y ago
        Yeah and the best defense you have to your position is a ridiculous example about a pencil. You can't engage with the hypo because you can't genuinely make your argument in it, so you are talking about pencils. I'm not stupid. Your argument is a personal attack to everyone's intelligence because it's so specious.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        You are calling an argument ridiculous, but you are not making any explanation why is it ridiculous. This claim is baseless, and any further claim you base on that is therefore baseless too.
        freejazz 4y ago
        I said why, because it's so devoid from the hypo it becomes absurd.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        You know getting to the point of absurdity is the point of reducto ad absurdium, right? Hypo?
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  If you have a valid reason, I'd do the pencil thing. I'm busy a lot of the time. I still can do stuff for people. I'm confused how the pencil hypothetical is related. The terminology has a reason. The pencil moving has no reason. I gave specific reasons why the terminology matters to people. The hypothetical is irrelevant. The DDOS is also out of scope. This all seems incredibly unimportant. There doesn't appear to be any principle behind not moving the pencil or not going along with terminology changes. > It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Life is about other people too. Not just ourselves. You have a small minor issue while others have actual grievances. How is using main instead of master ruining your efficiency? Life changes. Stuff changes. Progress happens.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    I am sorry, but you seem to not understand key points of what I am saying, or appear to be deliberately ignoring them, and/or things said previously. So I have to conclude this conversation, as you have all the answers you demand above. For instance: > Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? > I'm confused how the pencil hypothetical is related. Here's the answer. Connect the dots. > The terminology has a reason. > The problem is to be triggered by etymology. Here's the answer. > There doesn't appear to be any principle behind not moving the pencil or not going along with terminology changes. > There are more important things to spend any kind of effort than to please someone who's (demands are unimportant). Here's the answer. > Life is about other people too. Not just ourselves. You have a small minor issue while others have actual grievances. > When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Here's one answer. > I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Here's the other. > How is using main instead of master ruining your efficiency? > very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Here's the answer.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      I don't think calling something main instead of master is going to ruin your efficiency.

lostmsu 4y ago

The answer to that question is the same as to this hypothetical: what if I ask you to move pencil next to you 1cm to the left and you are busy. When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Moreover, people ban the sources, and share the list with every other good player, so they wouldn't have to deal with the same problem. Also re "something so unimportant". I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency.

roflyear 4y ago
If it means pissing off my boss if I don't, even if it is stupid, I'd probably move the pencil to not cause trouble over nothing. I'm not a child.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  How about a totally unrelated to you person? And you also know there's a viral campaign to make random people move pencils 1cm to the left?
  - roflyear 4y ago
    I think you're really blowing this out of the water here and making a bigger deal than it is. I'm in a very liberal area and this hasn't come up at all. To me it sounds like you're against discussing those things - which sounds like trying to suppress speech, imo.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      Ridiculous. We are discussing it right now. Clearly you are not thinking but feeling instead.
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        How is everyone wrong except you?
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > everyone You are taking on a lot here. Besides, number of people agreeing has no consequences on objective reality. So I disagree with both validity/applicability of the argument, and its premise.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        We're not discussing the merits of using "main" over "master" - we haven't discussed that at all. You're making some politically charged (b/c of the phrases and language you're using, I feel it is this way) argument about why it's bad to change terms of things in general. We haven't gotten to the point of discussing the benefits of this specific thing, and to me it seems like you don't want to discuss them (or the lack of them) b/c you're sold on it being a bad thing, no matter what. It is obviously good to change certain terms. For example, we don't call Asian people Orientals anymore.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    When your example boils down to something so ridiculous, it's a statement on you, not the thing you are debating.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      Lol what? The thread here is asking why would I or anyone else would refuse to tolerate a "minor inconvenience". And the example is spot on. Keep up man, you are out of line with personal attacks.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        Yeah and the best defense you have to your position is a ridiculous example about a pencil. You can't engage with the hypo because you can't genuinely make your argument in it, so you are talking about pencils. I'm not stupid. Your argument is a personal attack to everyone's intelligence because it's so specious.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        You are calling an argument ridiculous, but you are not making any explanation why is it ridiculous. This claim is baseless, and any further claim you base on that is therefore baseless too.
        freejazz 4y ago
        I said why, because it's so devoid from the hypo it becomes absurd.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        You know getting to the point of absurdity is the point of reducto ad absurdium, right? Hypo?
skinnymuch 4y ago
If you have a valid reason, I'd do the pencil thing. I'm busy a lot of the time. I still can do stuff for people. I'm confused how the pencil hypothetical is related. The terminology has a reason. The pencil moving has no reason. I gave specific reasons why the terminology matters to people. The hypothetical is irrelevant. The DDOS is also out of scope. This all seems incredibly unimportant. There doesn't appear to be any principle behind not moving the pencil or not going along with terminology changes. > It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Life is about other people too. Not just ourselves. You have a small minor issue while others have actual grievances. How is using main instead of master ruining your efficiency? Life changes. Stuff changes. Progress happens.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  I am sorry, but you seem to not understand key points of what I am saying, or appear to be deliberately ignoring them, and/or things said previously. So I have to conclude this conversation, as you have all the answers you demand above. For instance: > Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? > I'm confused how the pencil hypothetical is related. Here's the answer. Connect the dots. > The terminology has a reason. > The problem is to be triggered by etymology. Here's the answer. > There doesn't appear to be any principle behind not moving the pencil or not going along with terminology changes. > There are more important things to spend any kind of effort than to please someone who's (demands are unimportant). Here's the answer. > Life is about other people too. Not just ourselves. You have a small minor issue while others have actual grievances. > When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Here's one answer. > I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Here's the other. > How is using main instead of master ruining your efficiency? > very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency. Here's the answer.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    I don't think calling something main instead of master is going to ruin your efficiency.