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You didn't quote the rest of my comment. What negative wokeness are you talking about for me to have no point (when you include my entire comment)?

lostmsu 4y ago
Speech policing. Like renaming 'master' branches to 'main', which seems the most ergerious example from my perspective.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Are there laws saying to do this, or conversations saying "hey maybe this language is better to use?" Why do you care about this? Shouldn't you just... ignore it?
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    It is an example. It does affect my workflows. I've seen people I respect being ostracized for refusing to comply.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? Didn't you say there are more important things to spend time on? Getting ostracized (probably an exaggeration) for refusing to comply is so unimportant and so pointless.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        The answer to that question is the same as to this hypothetical: what if I ask you to move pencil next to you 1cm to the left and you are busy. When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Moreover, people ban the sources, and share the list with every other good player, so they wouldn't have to deal with the same problem. Also re "something so unimportant". I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency.
        roflyear 4y ago
        If it means pissing off my boss if I don't, even if it is stupid, I'd probably move the pencil to not cause trouble over nothing. I'm not a child.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        How about a totally unrelated to you person? And you also know there's a viral campaign to make random people move pencils 1cm to the left?
        roflyear 4y ago
        I think you're really blowing this out of the water here and making a bigger deal than it is. I'm in a very liberal area and this hasn't come up at all. To me it sounds like you're against discussing those things - which sounds like trying to suppress speech, imo.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        Ridiculous. We are discussing it right now. Clearly you are not thinking but feeling instead.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        How is everyone wrong except you?
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > everyone You are taking on a lot here. Besides, number of people agreeing has no consequences on objective reality. So I disagree with both validity/applicability of the argument, and its premise.
        roflyear 4y ago
        We're not discussing the merits of using "main" over "master" - we haven't discussed that at all. You're making some politically charged (b/c of the phrases and language you're using, I feel it is this way) argument about why it's bad to change terms of things in general. We haven't gotten to the point of discussing the benefits of this specific thing, and to me it seems like you don't want to discuss them (or the lack of them) b/c you're sold on it being a bad thing, no matter what. It is obviously good to change certain terms. For example, we don't call Asian people Orientals anymore.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Why would you refuse to comply with that? If you're difficult at work you're going to have a bad time, maybe more people should be told this.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        > Why would you refuse to comply with that? If you're difficult at work you're going to have a bad time, maybe more people should be told this. Can you hear what you are saying? Tech workers aren't mindless typing machines. When I think a decision from management is stupid and wasteful, I don't hesitate to tell that. If you want mindless typing machines in your company's offices, you're free to acquire them by whatever means necessary. Good luck getting great results from such setup though.
        roflyear 4y ago
        Look, I'd be annoyed if my boss micromanaged me - but I wouldn't blame it on liberals or make it political.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Isn't that nice that your kids want to make amends even in a small way for people who were and are hurt because of systemic issues. Systemic issues like the country being built off of rich white men and white people in general being above everyone especially black people they literally OWNED. People were actually owned by other people 150 years ago. I feel like we say this a lot but we don't appreciate how insane that is. Then the country absolutely fucked black people and minorities for the next 100 years at minimum. Your example is minor and inconsequential. Why do you care? It's hard for me to understand why someone like you who seems like a bright and kind person to care about this stuff.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    > Isn't that nice that your kids want to make amends even in a small way for people who were and are hurt because of systemic issues. No, it is not. There are more important things to spend any kind of effort than to please someone who's triggered by etymology.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Triggered? You barely responded to my message. A quick quip. Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to be triggered. Yes there are more important things. You're spending time being upset about some minor inconsequential terminology. That's not important.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        > Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to be triggered. There's nothing wrong with being triggered. The problem is to be triggered by etymology. > You're spending time being upset about some minor inconsequential terminology. That's not important. That is incorrect, cause this is an instance of much, much bigger whole, which as a whole is very important.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        I meant triggered over minor unimportant stuff. > The problem is to be triggered by etymology. Why are you being triggered by it then? > That is incorrect, cause this is an instance of much, much bigger whole, which as a whole is very important. What whole? Is this still about being against Elon's daughter?

lostmsu 4y ago

Speech policing. Like renaming 'master' branches to 'main', which seems the most ergerious example from my perspective.

roflyear 4y ago
Are there laws saying to do this, or conversations saying "hey maybe this language is better to use?" Why do you care about this? Shouldn't you just... ignore it?
- lostmsu 4y ago
  It is an example. It does affect my workflows. I've seen people I respect being ostracized for refusing to comply.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Why are these people refusing to comply to something so unimportant? Didn't you say there are more important things to spend time on? Getting ostracized (probably an exaggeration) for refusing to comply is so unimportant and so pointless.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      The answer to that question is the same as to this hypothetical: what if I ask you to move pencil next to you 1cm to the left and you are busy. When performed by a mob, it is a DDoS attack, and the reason to not comply with it is the same reason people block sources of the DDoS attacks. Moreover, people ban the sources, and share the list with every other good player, so they wouldn't have to deal with the same problem. Also re "something so unimportant". I never said it is unimportant. It is very important for my workflow to be consistent over time for efficiency.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        If it means pissing off my boss if I don't, even if it is stupid, I'd probably move the pencil to not cause trouble over nothing. I'm not a child.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        How about a totally unrelated to you person? And you also know there's a viral campaign to make random people move pencils 1cm to the left?
        roflyear 4y ago
        I think you're really blowing this out of the water here and making a bigger deal than it is. I'm in a very liberal area and this hasn't come up at all. To me it sounds like you're against discussing those things - which sounds like trying to suppress speech, imo.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        Ridiculous. We are discussing it right now. Clearly you are not thinking but feeling instead.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        How is everyone wrong except you?
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > everyone You are taking on a lot here. Besides, number of people agreeing has no consequences on objective reality. So I disagree with both validity/applicability of the argument, and its premise.
        roflyear 4y ago
        We're not discussing the merits of using "main" over "master" - we haven't discussed that at all. You're making some politically charged (b/c of the phrases and language you're using, I feel it is this way) argument about why it's bad to change terms of things in general. We haven't gotten to the point of discussing the benefits of this specific thing, and to me it seems like you don't want to discuss them (or the lack of them) b/c you're sold on it being a bad thing, no matter what. It is obviously good to change certain terms. For example, we don't call Asian people Orientals anymore.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Why would you refuse to comply with that? If you're difficult at work you're going to have a bad time, maybe more people should be told this.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      > Why would you refuse to comply with that? If you're difficult at work you're going to have a bad time, maybe more people should be told this. Can you hear what you are saying? Tech workers aren't mindless typing machines. When I think a decision from management is stupid and wasteful, I don't hesitate to tell that. If you want mindless typing machines in your company's offices, you're free to acquire them by whatever means necessary. Good luck getting great results from such setup though.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        Look, I'd be annoyed if my boss micromanaged me - but I wouldn't blame it on liberals or make it political.
skinnymuch 4y ago
Isn't that nice that your kids want to make amends even in a small way for people who were and are hurt because of systemic issues. Systemic issues like the country being built off of rich white men and white people in general being above everyone especially black people they literally OWNED. People were actually owned by other people 150 years ago. I feel like we say this a lot but we don't appreciate how insane that is. Then the country absolutely fucked black people and minorities for the next 100 years at minimum. Your example is minor and inconsequential. Why do you care? It's hard for me to understand why someone like you who seems like a bright and kind person to care about this stuff.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  > Isn't that nice that your kids want to make amends even in a small way for people who were and are hurt because of systemic issues. No, it is not. There are more important things to spend any kind of effort than to please someone who's triggered by etymology.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Triggered? You barely responded to my message. A quick quip. Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to be triggered. Yes there are more important things. You're spending time being upset about some minor inconsequential terminology. That's not important.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      > Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to be triggered. There's nothing wrong with being triggered. The problem is to be triggered by etymology. > You're spending time being upset about some minor inconsequential terminology. That's not important. That is incorrect, cause this is an instance of much, much bigger whole, which as a whole is very important.
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        I meant triggered over minor unimportant stuff. > The problem is to be triggered by etymology. Why are you being triggered by it then? > That is incorrect, cause this is an instance of much, much bigger whole, which as a whole is very important. What whole? Is this still about being against Elon's daughter?