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His own daughter never wants to talk to him again and [in]directly called him a bigot. It’s pretty cruel to be such a dick to your child.

lostmsu 4y ago
Or she could have been brainwashed by certain political movements. Hard to tell who's at fault without hearing sides.
- freejazz 4y ago
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  - lostmsu 4y ago
    I mean without details it is a reasonable alternative. Why would it not be? I have teenagers around, and the effect of woke movement seems excessive on some of them. To me even your comment is an example, because you made a personal attack and did not substantiate it at all.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      > I have teenagers around, and the effect of woke movement seems excessive on some of them. Chances are that they view you similarly. Times are changing, you change with them or you will become obsolete a bit faster than you have to. If I look back across the last 50 years or so that I remember consciously a lot of the stuff that was socially acceptable in the past is no longer socially acceptable, and for very good reasons. I recognize that some of my conditioning can't be undone and realize that future generations will use this new base as their jump-off point. In the beginning, your kids can learn from you. But later on you can learn from your kids.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        That's true, but also not all changes were positive. And I can accept some, but others seem to cross the boundaries the wrong way.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        Think of yourself from the position of the owner of a plantation in the deep South a few hundred years ago. That sentence would apply just the same and it would be just as wrong. Getting older is a fantastic way to find out about what your prejudices and conditioning were. Those changes that really aren't positive will eventually self-correct, and those that really are but that we - oldies - are not quite ready to accept will correct as well, either when we change or minds or a bit later when we die. It's up to you to decide how much of a disconnect you want to accept with younger generations. I have four kids in a large range of ages and these same principles keep on being pressed home to me and I've yet to find one of those exceptions where my 'old self' was in the right. This aspect covers a lot of ground: traditions, discrimination, the whole woke thing, attitudes, music style and so on. Either you stay with the times or you'll be left behind there are no third options afaics. I'm having a relatively easy time to adapt on those things that I don't care about. The dangerous bits are those that I do care about and where I'm simply dead wrong. Typically the things I care more about are those things that I have invested either a lot of time or a lot of my ego in. Best of luck with this, it isn't an easy problem.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      60 years ago your kids would’ve been woke about black people and women having equal rights. 20 years ago they would’ve been woke for LGB rights. Now they’re apparently woke because of trans rights. Or rights every human should have.
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      - lostmsu 4y ago
        > 60 years ago your kids would’ve been woke about black people and women having equal rights You are assuming here I take every change as bad. That's plain wrong, so you have no point.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      "I mean without details it is a reasonable alternative." This defies what reasonable means. Reasonable would be someone disagreeing with you on your own volition.

lostmsu 4y ago

Or she could have been brainwashed by certain political movements. Hard to tell who's at fault without hearing sides.

freejazz 4y ago
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- lostmsu 4y ago
  I mean without details it is a reasonable alternative. Why would it not be? I have teenagers around, and the effect of woke movement seems excessive on some of them. To me even your comment is an example, because you made a personal attack and did not substantiate it at all.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > I have teenagers around, and the effect of woke movement seems excessive on some of them. Chances are that they view you similarly. Times are changing, you change with them or you will become obsolete a bit faster than you have to. If I look back across the last 50 years or so that I remember consciously a lot of the stuff that was socially acceptable in the past is no longer socially acceptable, and for very good reasons. I recognize that some of my conditioning can't be undone and realize that future generations will use this new base as their jump-off point. In the beginning, your kids can learn from you. But later on you can learn from your kids.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      That's true, but also not all changes were positive. And I can accept some, but others seem to cross the boundaries the wrong way.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Think of yourself from the position of the owner of a plantation in the deep South a few hundred years ago. That sentence would apply just the same and it would be just as wrong. Getting older is a fantastic way to find out about what your prejudices and conditioning were. Those changes that really aren't positive will eventually self-correct, and those that really are but that we - oldies - are not quite ready to accept will correct as well, either when we change or minds or a bit later when we die. It's up to you to decide how much of a disconnect you want to accept with younger generations. I have four kids in a large range of ages and these same principles keep on being pressed home to me and I've yet to find one of those exceptions where my 'old self' was in the right. This aspect covers a lot of ground: traditions, discrimination, the whole woke thing, attitudes, music style and so on. Either you stay with the times or you'll be left behind there are no third options afaics. I'm having a relatively easy time to adapt on those things that I don't care about. The dangerous bits are those that I do care about and where I'm simply dead wrong. Typically the things I care more about are those things that I have invested either a lot of time or a lot of my ego in. Best of luck with this, it isn't an easy problem.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    60 years ago your kids would’ve been woke about black people and women having equal rights. 20 years ago they would’ve been woke for LGB rights. Now they’re apparently woke because of trans rights. Or rights every human should have.
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    - lostmsu 4y ago
      > 60 years ago your kids would’ve been woke about black people and women having equal rights You are assuming here I take every change as bad. That's plain wrong, so you have no point.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    "I mean without details it is a reasonable alternative." This defies what reasonable means. Reasonable would be someone disagreeing with you on your own volition.