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> feels more to me like corporate news media and progressive allies have a fight with elon. The fact that it feels this way to you is exactly the problem. It's

> feels more to me like corporate news media and progressive allies have a fight with elon. The fact that it feels this way to you is exactly the problem. It's pointless to politicize a car company but that's what Musk has gone ahead and done. It's not helping Tesla's stock price and it's not helping Tesla sell cars. > they wanted him to close the Twitter deal Musk signed a binding agreement to buy Twitter and then spent six months trying to back out of the deal. When Musk realized a contract is a contract and he wasn't going to win in court, he finally closed the deal. No one has done this to him. He did it to himself.

chitowneats 4y ago
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- clouddrover 4y ago
  Musk is too closely associated with the Tesla brand. The things the "Technoking" of Tesla does to make himself look bad also makes Tesla look bad. That's the practical reality of it whether you like it or not.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    I can never keep it straight: Is he a grifter business guy with no real influence on the success of Tesla, or the "Technoking" of the company, as you (admittedly amusingly) put it? It's not Musk who politicized Tesla. It's our culture that's so overtly politicized that the man can't have a single eccentric, interesting, or contrarian opinion while being the CEO of Tesla, without people seeking to punish the company over it out of spite.
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      > "Technoking" of the company, as you (admittedly amusingly) put it? I didn't put it that way, Musk did: https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/15/22331315/elon-musk-tesla-technoking-title-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/15/22331315/elon-musk-tesla-... > It's not Musk who politicized Tesla. Yes it is. His antics and his absence is why there are calls for him to get his focus back on Tesla or be replaced at Tesla by a full time CEO: https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-shareholder-ditch-elon-musk https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-shareholder-ditch-elon-m... https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/12/27/tesla-stock-elon-musk-ceo.html https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/12/27/tesla-sto... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/27/tesla-stock-drops-lowest-close-years-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/27/tesla-sto...
      - chitowneats 4y ago
        If a founder or executive is distracted by another business venture, that's an issue. It has nothing to do with "politics", except in the minds of his critics.
        clouddrover 4y ago
        No, it's in the minds of Tesla's shareholders. It's going to stay there until he cleans up his act.
    - mola 4y ago
      Oh come on, he went full on culture war bullshit to pander for some people with specific political orientation. He's not saying some well thought opinions about politics we might not agree with. He is spouting trollish and plain evil crap (Roth is a pedo shananigans) meant to troll without any regard to the consequences. He is acting unhinged and that certainly should reflect on how we perceive his business acumen and ability to run companies and make rational decisions.
    - watwut 4y ago
      He is grifter business guy able to raise money that made tesla big through combination of charizma, cult of personality and bullying business associates+employees to take advantage of them. He is alson bad at actually running companies and his personality cult ia breaking up now, so the overvaluation is ending along with that
- meepmorp 4y ago
  > Let me see those downvotes on this shadow banned account, folks. Don't wear out your index fingers. Why do people do this? State your point, don't preemptively whine about the reaction.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    I thought I was making it clear that I welcome it. If I cared about internet points on this account, I'd never post anything positive about Elon Musk here.
    - meepmorp 4y ago
      If you didn't care about internet points, you wouldn't bring them up in the first place.
      - chitowneats 4y ago
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        meepmorp 4y ago
        You're welcome. I'm glad you learned something about yourself.
birdymcbird 4y ago
> No one has done this to him. He did it to himself done what exactly to himself? hes still one of the wealthiest people on the planet. he could literally shutdown Twitter tomorrow and the people who’d cry the hardest are the ones cheering for twitters collapse, on Twitter, who refuse to leave. elon is still running spacex, Twitter, and boring company. if he lost every dime and every company, he’d get the Silicon Valley vc funding, even in this economic climate, to go do the next thing. one thing elon has done he doesn’t get credit for is ripping the mask off this massive grift in the tech industry. With over half of the Twitter workforce gone, the site runs just fine. what exactly were these people doing? in fact, they had little to no productive output of course with exception of their culture war/far left battles they were fighting in cahoots with government. i digress but this grift is widespread across google, meta, amazon.. all big tech. class of professional managers and a propped up elite who produce little economic output. 20% of the biz drives bottom line for the other 80%’s empire building, territorial wars, and bloated bureaucratic nonsense. no one wants to come out and say it in fear of attacks from the corporate media, but these execs are taking note from what Elon just pulled off, in big tech and Silicon Valley vc backed companies alike
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > done what exactly to himself? Bought Twitter, made himself look foolish doing it, and continues to make himself look foolish in the running of it.
  - birdymcbird 4y ago
    > Bought Twitter, made himself look foolish doing it, and continues to make himself look foolish in the running of it. to who? you? corporate media? this is nothing personal but do you honestly believe musk cares about how you or the corporate media portrays him? that it clouds his mind in the morning “oh no, I look like a fool?” Are we talking about musk, whose resume includes spacex, tesla, boring company, paypal? Are you sure we’re not talking about kim kardashian? The guy has money and influence at the .1% but it’s the fear of “looking” like a fool?
    - 4y ago

chitowneats 4y ago

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clouddrover 4y ago
Musk is too closely associated with the Tesla brand. The things the "Technoking" of Tesla does to make himself look bad also makes Tesla look bad. That's the practical reality of it whether you like it or not.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  I can never keep it straight: Is he a grifter business guy with no real influence on the success of Tesla, or the "Technoking" of the company, as you (admittedly amusingly) put it? It's not Musk who politicized Tesla. It's our culture that's so overtly politicized that the man can't have a single eccentric, interesting, or contrarian opinion while being the CEO of Tesla, without people seeking to punish the company over it out of spite.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    > "Technoking" of the company, as you (admittedly amusingly) put it? I didn't put it that way, Musk did: https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/15/22331315/elon-musk-tesla-technoking-title-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/15/22331315/elon-musk-tesla-... > It's not Musk who politicized Tesla. Yes it is. His antics and his absence is why there are calls for him to get his focus back on Tesla or be replaced at Tesla by a full time CEO: https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-shareholder-ditch-elon-musk https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-shareholder-ditch-elon-m... https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/12/27/tesla-stock-elon-musk-ceo.html https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/12/27/tesla-sto... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/27/tesla-stock-drops-lowest-close-years-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/27/tesla-sto...
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      If a founder or executive is distracted by another business venture, that's an issue. It has nothing to do with "politics", except in the minds of his critics.
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        No, it's in the minds of Tesla's shareholders. It's going to stay there until he cleans up his act.
  - mola 4y ago
    Oh come on, he went full on culture war bullshit to pander for some people with specific political orientation. He's not saying some well thought opinions about politics we might not agree with. He is spouting trollish and plain evil crap (Roth is a pedo shananigans) meant to troll without any regard to the consequences. He is acting unhinged and that certainly should reflect on how we perceive his business acumen and ability to run companies and make rational decisions.
  - watwut 4y ago
    He is grifter business guy able to raise money that made tesla big through combination of charizma, cult of personality and bullying business associates+employees to take advantage of them. He is alson bad at actually running companies and his personality cult ia breaking up now, so the overvaluation is ending along with that
meepmorp 4y ago
> Let me see those downvotes on this shadow banned account, folks. Don't wear out your index fingers. Why do people do this? State your point, don't preemptively whine about the reaction.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  I thought I was making it clear that I welcome it. If I cared about internet points on this account, I'd never post anything positive about Elon Musk here.
  - meepmorp 4y ago
    If you didn't care about internet points, you wouldn't bring them up in the first place.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
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      - meepmorp 4y ago
        You're welcome. I'm glad you learned something about yourself.

birdymcbird 4y ago

> No one has done this to him. He did it to himself done what exactly to himself? hes still one of the wealthiest people on the planet. he could literally shutdown Twitter tomorrow and the people who’d cry the hardest are the ones cheering for twitters collapse, on Twitter, who refuse to leave. elon is still running spacex, Twitter, and boring company. if he lost every dime and every company, he’d get the Silicon Valley vc funding, even in this economic climate, to go do the next thing. one thing elon has done he doesn’t get credit for is ripping the mask off this massive grift in the tech industry. With over half of the Twitter workforce gone, the site runs just fine. what exactly were these people doing? in fact, they had little to no productive output of course with exception of their culture war/far left battles they were fighting in cahoots with government. i digress but this grift is widespread across google, meta, amazon.. all big tech. class of professional managers and a propped up elite who produce little economic output. 20% of the biz drives bottom line for the other 80%’s empire building, territorial wars, and bloated bureaucratic nonsense. no one wants to come out and say it in fear of attacks from the corporate media, but these execs are taking note from what Elon just pulled off, in big tech and Silicon Valley vc backed companies alike

clouddrover 4y ago
> done what exactly to himself? Bought Twitter, made himself look foolish doing it, and continues to make himself look foolish in the running of it.
- birdymcbird 4y ago
  > Bought Twitter, made himself look foolish doing it, and continues to make himself look foolish in the running of it. to who? you? corporate media? this is nothing personal but do you honestly believe musk cares about how you or the corporate media portrays him? that it clouds his mind in the morning “oh no, I look like a fool?” Are we talking about musk, whose resume includes spacex, tesla, boring company, paypal? Are you sure we’re not talking about kim kardashian? The guy has money and influence at the .1% but it’s the fear of “looking” like a fool?
  - 4y ago