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>she Just use “they” instead of hamfisting gender equality. Which ironically you do in your first paragraph.

GMoromisato 4y ago
Reminds me of this joke: A man and his son get into a horrible car crash. The man is killed instantly, and the boy is taken to the hospital for emergency surgery. The surgeon takes one look at the boy and says, "Oh my god! This is my son!" Then the car crashes into the operating room and kills everyone. How is this possible? Answer: It was a Tesla in FSD mode. But in all seriousness, thank you for your feedback.
- smusamashah 4y ago
  Can someone shed a little explanatory light on this joke please?
  - joedrago 4y ago
    When I first heard it, it was billed as a riddle, not a joke. It only really makes sense in any way as a riddle / brain-teaser if it successfully plays on your biases of the operating room doctor being incapable of being his mother (or other father, etc). In a 1950s, old-timey-wimey, nuclear family mindset, the father is the breadwinner and the mother is the homemaker, and there is no other reasonable possibility. Anyone that was taught to think that way will hear the father dying in the car accident and then be confused when someone else can also refer to them as their son. This came up a few years ago for the first time for me, and I tried it on my (elementary school) sons and they immediately said "uhh, its his mom, I guess?" Anyway, I hope that clarifies things for you.
    - alexvoda 4y ago
      I get that the Tesla FSD crashed once, but did it hold some king of grudge and followed him to the hospital? Or did Tesla build Skynet and it was a second Tesla and they were coordinating the attack? Was the son named Connor?
    - smusamashah 4y ago
      Ah I get it now. Where I live this usually the family structure and doctors etc are mostly male anyway therefore I assumed surgeon to be the father too and got very confused. Thanks for explaining.
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splatzone 4y ago
Why do you think it’s hamfisted to use she? It doesn’t make their comment any less clear, and there are many female CEOs around the world
- japanman425 4y ago
  Using she is male erasure and non binary exclusive… It’s actually worse than using he since he is almost unanimously used as gender neutral in internal language models
mhb 4y ago
More hamfisted than the always-jarring use of a plural pronoun instead of a singular one?
- kooshball 4y ago
  in case you really didn't know, "they" can also be singular https://www.dictionary.com/browse/they https://www.dictionary.com/browse/they
  - mhb 4y ago
    Yeah, yeah, I know. And language evolves. Is the best way to address the lack of a gender-neutral singular pronoun in English really to lazily adopt a word which is ambiguous in the vernacular? Be creative - make a new word!
chownie 4y ago
The two genders, male and political.
- klipt 4y ago
  Depends on the context, if you're talking about e.g. nurses or domestic violence victims, it switches to "the two genders, female or political"
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Reminds me of this joke: A man and his son get into a horrible car crash. The man is killed instantly, and the boy is taken to the hospital for emergency surgery. The surgeon takes one look at the boy and says, "Oh my god! This is my son!" Then the car crashes into the operating room and kills everyone. How is this possible? Answer: It was a Tesla in FSD mode. But in all seriousness, thank you for your feedback.

smusamashah 4y ago
Can someone shed a little explanatory light on this joke please?
- joedrago 4y ago
  When I first heard it, it was billed as a riddle, not a joke. It only really makes sense in any way as a riddle / brain-teaser if it successfully plays on your biases of the operating room doctor being incapable of being his mother (or other father, etc). In a 1950s, old-timey-wimey, nuclear family mindset, the father is the breadwinner and the mother is the homemaker, and there is no other reasonable possibility. Anyone that was taught to think that way will hear the father dying in the car accident and then be confused when someone else can also refer to them as their son. This came up a few years ago for the first time for me, and I tried it on my (elementary school) sons and they immediately said "uhh, its his mom, I guess?" Anyway, I hope that clarifies things for you.
  - alexvoda 4y ago
    I get that the Tesla FSD crashed once, but did it hold some king of grudge and followed him to the hospital? Or did Tesla build Skynet and it was a second Tesla and they were coordinating the attack? Was the son named Connor?
  - smusamashah 4y ago
    Ah I get it now. Where I live this usually the family structure and doctors etc are mostly male anyway therefore I assumed surgeon to be the father too and got very confused. Thanks for explaining.
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splatzone 4y ago

Why do you think it’s hamfisted to use she? It doesn’t make their comment any less clear, and there are many female CEOs around the world

japanman425 4y ago
Using she is male erasure and non binary exclusive… It’s actually worse than using he since he is almost unanimously used as gender neutral in internal language models

mhb 4y ago

More hamfisted than the always-jarring use of a plural pronoun instead of a singular one?

kooshball 4y ago
in case you really didn't know, "they" can also be singular https://www.dictionary.com/browse/they https://www.dictionary.com/browse/they
- mhb 4y ago
  Yeah, yeah, I know. And language evolves. Is the best way to address the lack of a gender-neutral singular pronoun in English really to lazily adopt a word which is ambiguous in the vernacular? Be creative - make a new word!

chownie 4y ago

The two genders, male and political.

klipt 4y ago
Depends on the context, if you're talking about e.g. nurses or domestic violence victims, it switches to "the two genders, female or political"

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