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Where's the part where the welders start doing needless welding to satisfy the helper's target? Or is the point that a good consultant knows to leave before th
by jancsika 4y ago
Where's the part where the welders start doing needless welding to satisfy the helper's target?
Or is the point that a good consultant knows to leave before that happens?
- danuker 4y agoMany humans avoid malicious compliance, because they want to keep their job.
- pxx 4y agoThis isn't malicious compliance. This is just what organically happens -- see Goodhart's law.
- count 4y agoMore likely the consultant helped them learn that now that they're so efficient, they can downsize the welding team.
- mft_ 4y agoThat was my first thought: rather than three or more welders welding ~10% of the time, they needed a team of helpers setting things up, and a single welder moving quickly from job to job...
- LorenPechtel 4y agoYup. A welder's helper is a lot cheaper than a welder, not to mention all the gear time that produces no value for anyone. You want to set things up to the high skill workers are as much as possible able to spend their time on the high skill task.
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- D-Coder 4y agoOr helped them be so efficient that the company didn't go out of business.
- xyzelement 4y agoYour comment reads like you have an ax to grind against consultants and have a foregone conclusion separate from the content? In this story, the consultant found a way to remove stupid/low-skilled work from the welders' todo. They no longer have to lift shit, take off their gear, and peel plastic off parts. None of that sounds fun and presumably welders are happy not to be doing that. I suspect a welder prefers to weld. The consultant found a way to let welders do what they chose/are trained to do, which is weld. I don't see any sort of bullshit metric/target imposed on them.
- sitkack 4y ago> remove stupid/low-skilled work This is an example of what I mentioned in my other comment.
- sokoloff 4y agoIt is literally stupid work (pure waste) to require them to repeatedly suit-up in and later remove PPE in order to be able to do a different task. It is low-skilled work to move a part from here to there as compared to welding. These are literally correct and practically useful descriptions of the work removed from the welders.
- sitkack 4y agoWe aren't talking about the same things. One has to separate the value judgement from the system optimization. The system is the combination of the all the pieces operating in concert. You can't point at a specific part and say, "this is the only thing of importance".
- sokoloff 4y agoI never said that. I do stand by GP’s claim that taking off and putting on PPE repeatedly and putting parts on a cart is stupid and low-skilled work, respectively, compared to welding.