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In a nutshell, the article says adjusting for sales volume, Tesla auto pilot crashes numbers are far higher than the ones from Ford. "...Tesla ought to have a

• onos 4y ago
  I wonder if Tesla drivers simply use autopilot more than ford’s do.
  • etchalon 4y ago
    I'd wager yes, based on the promises Tesla has made about the feature compared to how Ford talks about theirs.
  • nixass 4y ago
    Probably they do because of false advertising
    • gzer0 4y ago
      Curious to know where you see this false advertising? When you go to purchase Autopilot on the Tesla website [0], it says in the first sentence: "The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." On Ford's website regarding their Blue Cruise[1]: "Blue Cruise allows you to operate your vehicle hands-free while being monitored by a driver-facing camera to make sure you're keeping your eyes on the road." If anything, Ford seems to be more bold and brazen with their approach here. [0] https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview [1] https://www.ford.com/technology/driver-assist-technology/#bluecruise https://www.ford.com/technology/driver-assist-technology/#bl...
      • maximinus_thrax 4y ago
        Mixed signals https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time." "Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." "The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat."
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      • paulcole 4y ago
        Here’s the part I see as false advertising: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. There is no way for Tesla to know that their cars have the hardware needed for full self-driving capabilities because they don’t know what hardware is needed for that. Also the branding of their “Autopilot” with a capital A allows them to make up whatever definition they want for it and lets customers (understandably) confuse it with the standard definition of “autopilot” without a capital A.
      • delecti 4y ago
        The fact that on Tesla's site the feature is called "Full Self-Driving Capability" while Ford's is called "BlueCruise" seems to be a rather relevant difference. "Full Self-Driving" sure feels like false advertising to me, even if it doesn't legally qualify as such.
      • _Algernon_ 4y ago
        They name it "Full self driving" and lean heavily on that marketing for one: https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot
      • clouddrover 4y ago
        > Curious to know where you see this false advertising? Musk has been lying about full self-driving for years: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... Tesla has already been done for false advertising once in court. Tesla didn't even try to argue the case: https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-driving-computer-for-free-false-advertising/ https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr... Now Tesla is hoping to avoid being done for fraud by calling their "full self-driving" a "failure" instead of an outright fraud: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopilot-lawsuit/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopi... But with years worth of lies behind it, and especially because they've been selling it to customers and still haven't delivered it, it's tough to make the case that it isn't fraud.
  • _Algernon_ 4y ago
    Considering Tesla's deceitful marketing, that is likely, yes. But Tesla/Musk shares the blame for those accidents because of the false advertising.
  • matmatmatmat 4y ago
    Legitimate question.
• ggreer 4y ago
  Ford’s Bluecruise is far more limited than autopilot. It’s geo-fenced to some freeways.[1] Autopilot works on any road with lane markers. My guess is that few Ford drivers use the feature. 1. See the map on this page: https://www.ford.com/technology/bluecruise/ https://www.ford.com/technology/bluecruise/
  • moralestapia 4y ago
    What a strange comment, It seems like you're trying to make a point for Tesla but the arguments you present make Blue Cruise seem like a more carefully planned and safer technology, lol.
    • ggreer 4y ago
      I'm saying that almost nobody uses Bluecruise because it's a gimmick. It only works in a few places. In the places where it is supported, it refuses to turn the wheel too sharply, forcing you to turn in areas where there is a significant bend in the road. If you make your feature so useless that nobody uses it, of course that feature won't cause many deaths. The useful metric is deaths per distance traveled regardless of whether automation is on or not. Otherwise you can Simpson's Paradox yourself into any conclusion.
  • MBCook 4y ago
    I promise you they use the feature. It’s quite nice. People want it enhanced, but it is useful. But as a sibling comment pointed out it’s limited for a reason. It’s carefully locked to areas Ford has mapped and verified and believes the software/hardware is capable of performing safely. It will disengage for anything more complicated. Tesla’s “you can run it almost anywhere, good luck” attitude could easily help explain a large chunk of the discrepancy. The Ford won’t engage where it’s unlikely to work while AP very well might.
• d_theorist 4y ago
  The comparison is based on number of enabled vehicles and not on a mile-for-mile basis.