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Because sovereignty ends at borders. Europeans want to vacation in the US. The US demands biometric authentication upon crossing the border. So you either give

Because sovereignty ends at borders. Europeans want to vacation in the US. The US demands biometric authentication upon crossing the border. So you either give them that data or the US stops letting Europeans in. And I doubt Europe is going to be any better at not demanding biometric data than the US is, because Europe has the same underlying incentives to do so (i.e. a restrictive immigration system, a large portion of the population who want to NIMBY entire races of people, and a large body of laws to enforce).

mihaaly 4y ago
The US needs relationship with EU citizens just as much as the other way around. Or even more, like in the case of people like me (I rather avoid the US after being there several times and experienced the mentality). The vacations are especially weak argument for sharing highly personal data with an entity that is prone to repeatedly and shamelessly abusing it, misusing it. Will the relationship being more difficult if not yielding to the demands? Ok then. We are not made of cotton candy to melt in a drop of rain that easily when some difficulty comes along, especially if it is a bureaucracy thingy. The vacations will be a bit more difficult - for those attracted by the US instead of beautiful spots elsewhere. Business relations too, of course, but that one has double edge actually.
petre 4y ago
We already have biometric passports in the EU. Why the need to collect biometric data when I have it on me and in my passport as well? This is worse than PII, it should be covered by data protection laws like the GDPR.
psychphysic 4y ago
I a glass is always nearly empty kind of guy. Have no plans to visit the US still expect my government would fold like napkin if US county police faxed over a request. The US tapped even NATO ally governments if they want fingerprints they'll get them. At any rate don't you have to sign, fingerprint and stand infront of a camera to pass most countries passport control?
Aeolun 4y ago
I don’t think the EU minds the US having access to EU biometric data as long as citizens choose to give it to the US directly. To have them lift it out of our databases without any manual actions seems ridiculous.
- epolanski 4y ago
  Bingo. That's the point. If people want to share with a third party, it's their business. But for US to just access some database and lift them is ridiculous
Muromec 4y ago
EU doesn't enforce fingerprints scan on the border most of the time. It's very strange, as all the infrastructure is there, passports and alien ids have fingerprints included in them, there are fingerprint-scanning machines on border crossing points, yet I'm yet to see it being used ever.
- vixen99 4y ago
  The European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS) will be in force by November 2023. 'The completely electronic system will keep track of visitors who do not require a full visa to enter Schengen Zone countries for the purposes of travel for up to 90 days'. https://etias.com/ https://etias.com/

mihaaly 4y ago

The US needs relationship with EU citizens just as much as the other way around. Or even more, like in the case of people like me (I rather avoid the US after being there several times and experienced the mentality). The vacations are especially weak argument for sharing highly personal data with an entity that is prone to repeatedly and shamelessly abusing it, misusing it. Will the relationship being more difficult if not yielding to the demands? Ok then. We are not made of cotton candy to melt in a drop of rain that easily when some difficulty comes along, especially if it is a bureaucracy thingy. The vacations will be a bit more difficult - for those attracted by the US instead of beautiful spots elsewhere. Business relations too, of course, but that one has double edge actually.

petre 4y ago

We already have biometric passports in the EU. Why the need to collect biometric data when I have it on me and in my passport as well? This is worse than PII, it should be covered by data protection laws like the GDPR.

psychphysic 4y ago

I a glass is always nearly empty kind of guy. Have no plans to visit the US still expect my government would fold like napkin if US county police faxed over a request. The US tapped even NATO ally governments if they want fingerprints they'll get them. At any rate don't you have to sign, fingerprint and stand infront of a camera to pass most countries passport control?

Aeolun 4y ago

I don’t think the EU minds the US having access to EU biometric data as long as citizens choose to give it to the US directly. To have them lift it out of our databases without any manual actions seems ridiculous.

epolanski 4y ago
Bingo. That's the point. If people want to share with a third party, it's their business. But for US to just access some database and lift them is ridiculous

Muromec 4y ago

EU doesn't enforce fingerprints scan on the border most of the time. It's very strange, as all the infrastructure is there, passports and alien ids have fingerprints included in them, there are fingerprint-scanning machines on border crossing points, yet I'm yet to see it being used ever.

vixen99 4y ago
The European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS) will be in force by November 2023. 'The completely electronic system will keep track of visitors who do not require a full visa to enter Schengen Zone countries for the purposes of travel for up to 90 days'. https://etias.com/ https://etias.com/