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I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia wo

I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia would participate in. ----- edit: How would you code "terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female" or "terrorism through being Yemen?" "Terrorism though applying for a marriage license after being mildly critical in the WaPo."

kanzenryu2 4y ago
In Saudi Arabia atheists are terrorists. And they also have the death penalty for terrorism.
- cbsmith 4y ago
  This is misinformation. Saudi Arabia is not well regarded when it comes to religious freedom, and it has a law against apostasy (when a Muslim renounces their beliefs), which is a capital offense, but they don't classify atheists as terrorists.
- Guthur 4y ago
  I suppose on the plus side at least they actually sentence them, some countries just lock them up in extra judicial camps or orders a drone strike and never says a word.
- jongjong 4y ago
  It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.
  - moate 4y ago
    >> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever. I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.
    - justinclift 4y ago
      Yeah, they just made up. :/
    - pohuing 4y ago
      I expect it to be unimaginable, literally, because without a running brain I can't imagine. How do you even reason or predict beyond that.
    - kennyloginz 4y ago
      I’m not sure what others believe. But I bet that right before you die, it feels like you are running towards a light at the end of a tunnel. But for each step you take, you shrink by half. Making a moment feel like an eternity.
    - moloch-hai 4y ago
      I checked: when you die, you rot. Atheist or not. Where does the speed go when the car stops?
    - jongjong 4y ago
      It's horrible either way but I think void is much better in this case.
omgomgomgomg 4y ago
Finance background here. All these PEP, sanction lists, ofac monitoring, financial sanction lists already exist and every company with a worthwile monetary turnover ever facing an audit runs these background checks. The laws are there, they are called the aml directives, the lists are there. And most of the entries there are provided by eitjer uk or us entities, youll usually find foreign military personells data there, dob, rank, id number, name but not much else. It is bit of a joke as many muslim people have similar names and joe shmoes get flagged for nothing very often. Meanwhile, the people on these lists are very high up within their own government hierarchy, they probably have 5 differe t passports. Btw, these lists are csv files often...some sophistication. Yea, monitor peps, fugitives and terrorists, but find a way without combing through the whole worlds innocent citizens.
- SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
  > Btw, these lists are csv files often...some sophistication. And surely this critically sensitive data is not left on a shared location with loose permissions, or sent around as an email attachment, right? ...right? I'm worried about the ability of this data to enable authoritarianism and I'm also worried about it being handled by those with the competence of the average government official. "Never blame on malice what you can blame on stupidity", however the problem is government has both of those in spades.
  - u10 4y ago
    Critical sensitive data? You can access the lists directly in several different formats, all publically available... Wouldn't be much of a sanctions list if you couldn't https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/financial-sanctions-consolidated-list-of-targets/consolidated-list-of-targets https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/financial-sanctio...
    - xordon 4y ago
      Sanctioned persons are not the same as politically exposed persons. You are still allowed to do business with PEPs.
user3939382 4y ago
I wish we lived in a world where our governments had integrity, prioritized the interests of the masses, and could be trusted to use powers like this in pursuit of those interests. Sadly we don’t.
jacooper 4y ago
> terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? Even when it was banned, it wasn't the big of an offense. And yes its no longer banned, and there are a lot of women drivers now.
- adolph 4y ago
  Maybe trucking while unvaccinated is a better example?
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Ar... "In September 2011, a Sudanese migrant worker was beheaded for sorcery" Was this a rhetorical question?
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- saiya-jin 4y ago
  They executed shia cleric for being... shia cleric. If it would help them catch them they would put him on such a list to get similar persons deported from host countries.
Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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kanzenryu2 4y ago

In Saudi Arabia atheists are terrorists. And they also have the death penalty for terrorism.

cbsmith 4y ago
This is misinformation. Saudi Arabia is not well regarded when it comes to religious freedom, and it has a law against apostasy (when a Muslim renounces their beliefs), which is a capital offense, but they don't classify atheists as terrorists.
Guthur 4y ago
I suppose on the plus side at least they actually sentence them, some countries just lock them up in extra judicial camps or orders a drone strike and never says a word.
jongjong 4y ago
It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.
- moate 4y ago
  >> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever. I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    Yeah, they just made up. :/
  - pohuing 4y ago
    I expect it to be unimaginable, literally, because without a running brain I can't imagine. How do you even reason or predict beyond that.
  - kennyloginz 4y ago
    I’m not sure what others believe. But I bet that right before you die, it feels like you are running towards a light at the end of a tunnel. But for each step you take, you shrink by half. Making a moment feel like an eternity.
  - moloch-hai 4y ago
    I checked: when you die, you rot. Atheist or not. Where does the speed go when the car stops?
  - jongjong 4y ago
    It's horrible either way but I think void is much better in this case.

omgomgomgomg 4y ago

Finance background here. All these PEP, sanction lists, ofac monitoring, financial sanction lists already exist and every company with a worthwile monetary turnover ever facing an audit runs these background checks. The laws are there, they are called the aml directives, the lists are there. And most of the entries there are provided by eitjer uk or us entities, youll usually find foreign military personells data there, dob, rank, id number, name but not much else. It is bit of a joke as many muslim people have similar names and joe shmoes get flagged for nothing very often. Meanwhile, the people on these lists are very high up within their own government hierarchy, they probably have 5 differe t passports. Btw, these lists are csv files often...some sophistication. Yea, monitor peps, fugitives and terrorists, but find a way without combing through the whole worlds innocent citizens.

SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
> Btw, these lists are csv files often...some sophistication. And surely this critically sensitive data is not left on a shared location with loose permissions, or sent around as an email attachment, right? ...right? I'm worried about the ability of this data to enable authoritarianism and I'm also worried about it being handled by those with the competence of the average government official. "Never blame on malice what you can blame on stupidity", however the problem is government has both of those in spades.
- u10 4y ago
  Critical sensitive data? You can access the lists directly in several different formats, all publically available... Wouldn't be much of a sanctions list if you couldn't https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/financial-sanctions-consolidated-list-of-targets/consolidated-list-of-targets https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/financial-sanctio...
  - xordon 4y ago
    Sanctioned persons are not the same as politically exposed persons. You are still allowed to do business with PEPs.

user3939382 4y ago

I wish we lived in a world where our governments had integrity, prioritized the interests of the masses, and could be trusted to use powers like this in pursuit of those interests. Sadly we don’t.

jacooper 4y ago

> terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? Even when it was banned, it wasn't the big of an offense. And yes its no longer banned, and there are a lot of women drivers now.

adolph 4y ago
Maybe trucking while unvaccinated is a better example?
throwawaylinux 4y ago
> Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Ar... "In September 2011, a Sudanese migrant worker was beheaded for sorcery" Was this a rhetorical question?
- deleted 4y ago
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saiya-jin 4y ago
They executed shia cleric for being... shia cleric. If it would help them catch them they would put him on such a list to get similar persons deported from host countries.

Slava_Propanei 4y ago

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