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We need more evidence than a handful of ancedotes to proclaim that the entire country of Canada has changed its position on doctor quality based on willingless

We need more evidence than a handful of ancedotes to proclaim that the entire country of Canada has changed its position on doctor quality based on willingless to participate in MAiD. I get that this is an emotional thing but we're really talking to basically a mom who says she knows better than her adult son whether or not he wants to kill himself (regardless of whether or not I personally disagree with the son, that situation is emotionally totally fucked and I don't think its representative of the entire country)

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
The article linked in the comment I’m responding to is based not on a handful of anecdotes but new standards from the courts and Parliament. “ Last year, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled unanimously that doctors who have moral objections to providing health services like abortion or assisted death must provide patients with an ‘effective referral’ to another doctor.”
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  You told me that doctors who don't want to participate in MAiD can willingly opt-out of it and refer any patients to other doctors. This seems completely opposite, unless you mean doctors are being forced to not throw up barriers to access to MAiD to be the same as being forced to participate in MAiD, which seems totally backwards.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    If you don't believe in killing people, you shouldn't have to give a recommendation of someone who does.
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    - notatoad 4y ago
      Health care in canada is limited by availability, and there's often a wait to be able to see a doctor. If a patient has waited in line to see a doctor, but the doctor they draw fails to treat them, a referral allows the patient to see another doctor instead of being sent to the back of the line again. A doctor should not be able to impede or delay somebody's legal right to medical care just because they have a personal objection to it.
    - govg 4y ago
      Good thing they're using your abilities as a medical professional, not your beliefs in your personal moral sphere. As a professional you're required to provide the same service to everyone without any regard to your own beliefs. Otherwise medicine as a national service doesn't work.

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago

The article linked in the comment I’m responding to is based not on a handful of anecdotes but new standards from the courts and Parliament. “ Last year, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled unanimously that doctors who have moral objections to providing health services like abortion or assisted death must provide patients with an ‘effective referral’ to another doctor.”

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
You told me that doctors who don't want to participate in MAiD can willingly opt-out of it and refer any patients to other doctors. This seems completely opposite, unless you mean doctors are being forced to not throw up barriers to access to MAiD to be the same as being forced to participate in MAiD, which seems totally backwards.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  If you don't believe in killing people, you shouldn't have to give a recommendation of someone who does.
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  - notatoad 4y ago
    Health care in canada is limited by availability, and there's often a wait to be able to see a doctor. If a patient has waited in line to see a doctor, but the doctor they draw fails to treat them, a referral allows the patient to see another doctor instead of being sent to the back of the line again. A doctor should not be able to impede or delay somebody's legal right to medical care just because they have a personal objection to it.
  - govg 4y ago
    Good thing they're using your abilities as a medical professional, not your beliefs in your personal moral sphere. As a professional you're required to provide the same service to everyone without any regard to your own beliefs. Otherwise medicine as a national service doesn't work.