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I once attended a memorial lecture on euthanasia at Oxford university. It started with euthanising people who are in great pain and are obviously going to die i

I once attended a memorial lecture on euthanasia at Oxford university. It started with euthanising people who are in great pain and are obviously going to die in the next 24 hours, and by the end a psychologist in the audience was arguing for euthanising depressed teenagers. It felt like we hadn't just slipped down the slope, we basically rocketed into the ground. I will never support this movement.

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ClumsyPilot 4y ago
In US the government is allowed tk kill you - as apparently capital punishment is constitutional. Yet you are not allowed to kill yourself? I don't think that morally defensible
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  If you wanna eat a bullet that's your initiative. My issue is when the medical system, which has a pretty crap track record when it comes to dealing with people who's suffering is curable, starts offering suicide to people as an out. These institutions can't put people on the right pills and we're supposed to trust them to suggest (or not) that people end their lives? Not to mention the perverse financial incentive it creates to give people who need expensive care crap care and generally drag feet hoping they choose the out.
  - imtringued 4y ago
    I can't eat wheat. I don't know if it's the gluten or if I'm celiac. Nobody diagnosed me. Wheat bloats my stomach and clogs my intestines almost gas tight and sometimes the pain can be extreme because it feels like your intestines are being torn apart. This makes you feel like your own body is conspiring against you because society has decided to put wheat everywhere and everyone else is fine and the doctors tell you it's not the wheat. From this perspective the "sane" choice against generic unexplainable suffering because of randomly occuring physical pain would be to get a different body but that isn't possible so suicide it is. Except, my solution is peppermint tea and avoiding wheat at all costs. I don't care how many people tell me that I don't have celiac disease or that I should be able to eat wheat. I can't, I know my body better than the doctor or you or the industrial complex that puts wheat everywhere.
bambax 4y ago
Suicide is not euthanasia. Assisted suicide is not euthanasia either. Forbidding people from killing themselves is just weird. Who are you to decide what I can do with my life?
- MisterMower 4y ago
  At the margin it creates an incentive to not commit suicide, or to make damn sure you succeed if you do. In a time when suicide was viewed more negatively, I can see why such laws would exist.

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ClumsyPilot 4y ago

In US the government is allowed tk kill you - as apparently capital punishment is constitutional. Yet you are not allowed to kill yourself? I don't think that morally defensible

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
If you wanna eat a bullet that's your initiative. My issue is when the medical system, which has a pretty crap track record when it comes to dealing with people who's suffering is curable, starts offering suicide to people as an out. These institutions can't put people on the right pills and we're supposed to trust them to suggest (or not) that people end their lives? Not to mention the perverse financial incentive it creates to give people who need expensive care crap care and generally drag feet hoping they choose the out.
- imtringued 4y ago
  I can't eat wheat. I don't know if it's the gluten or if I'm celiac. Nobody diagnosed me. Wheat bloats my stomach and clogs my intestines almost gas tight and sometimes the pain can be extreme because it feels like your intestines are being torn apart. This makes you feel like your own body is conspiring against you because society has decided to put wheat everywhere and everyone else is fine and the doctors tell you it's not the wheat. From this perspective the "sane" choice against generic unexplainable suffering because of randomly occuring physical pain would be to get a different body but that isn't possible so suicide it is. Except, my solution is peppermint tea and avoiding wheat at all costs. I don't care how many people tell me that I don't have celiac disease or that I should be able to eat wheat. I can't, I know my body better than the doctor or you or the industrial complex that puts wheat everywhere.

bambax 4y ago

Suicide is not euthanasia. Assisted suicide is not euthanasia either. Forbidding people from killing themselves is just weird. Who are you to decide what I can do with my life?

MisterMower 4y ago
At the margin it creates an incentive to not commit suicide, or to make damn sure you succeed if you do. In a time when suicide was viewed more negatively, I can see why such laws would exist.