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> Keeping them cooked up at home for years is a lot more damaging than a cold. I wonder if the debate was stifled because of reductionist comments like this. C

> Keeping them cooked up at home for years is a lot more damaging than a cold. I wonder if the debate was stifled because of reductionist comments like this. COVID-19 is far more serious than a cold. How can we be expected to have a real discussion about this topic when you either don’t understand or choose not to understand the difference between a cold and COVID?

tmn 4y ago
This may be true, but doesn’t match many peoples direct experience. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, don’t be surprised when people think it’s a duck
- jamie1np 4y ago
  If a creature that quacks like a duck killed over 1000 children in less than 3 years(1) I would be surprised if people still treated it as a duck. 1) https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b...
  - andscoop 4y ago
    As someone who was vaccinated three times, obeyed quarantine and had a kid during the pandemic— I don’t think that stat is having the effect you intended. Kids were relatively resilient from the virus. Now addressing the logic in your response, are you suggesting we should have similar school shutdown measures for the flu every year? For a similar three year period influenza will kill 400-600 kids.
  - TurkishPoptart 4y ago
    I'm curious how this compares to other causes of deaths for kids under 18. I'm sure there have been more teen suicides, overdoses, accidents, and car accidents that tragically ended lives (about which the government largely does nothing, except for the National Suicide Hotline, which is important).
- sli 4y ago
  > ... but doesn’t match many peoples direct experience. And that doesn't matter one bit, because their direct experience means nothing to the actual reality. Millions of people are dead and using one's own personal experience to pretend that it was actually no big deal is just willful ignorance.
  - progrus 4y ago
    As you grow older and wiser, remember that you said this: “Their direct experience means nothing to the actual reality.” This is how the enlightenment ends, in a nutshell. Over-confident denial of reality, supported by misleading statistics and buggy models. “Since we’re awash in this contemporary ocean of speculation, we forget that things can be known with certainty, and that we need not live in a fearful world of interminable unsupported opinion. But the gulf that separates hard fact from speculation is by now so unfamiliar that most people can’t comprehend it.” — Michael Crichton
    - maltalex 4y ago
      I’m glad that no one close to you died because of this disease. Other people’s experience is very different. Your anecdotal experience is not reality.
      - mathwords 4y ago
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      - collyw 4y ago
        Your argument is an appeal to emotion, not to facts.
    - mhoad 4y ago
      I think you will find they were saying that there were more than 6 million deaths from it globally so far and the fact that your personal experience with it wasn’t particularly serious isn’t a meaningful data point. I’d also argue that a random quote from the author of Jurassic Park isn’t really moving the conversation forward.
- voidwtf 4y ago
  “Many people’s direct experience” Those same “many people” are often quoted, often alluded to, and often used to ignore quantifiable facts. Your direct experience does not negate my direct experience, and I’ve never experienced an otherwise healthy adult entering the hospital because of a bad case of the flu and dying. I cannot say the same for COVID. While I agree that COVID may have been overblown in some respects, it was also politicized and in doing so a lot of FUD was spread. Which led to many people rejecting a vaccine that would have reduced the impact to not only themselves but the rest of the population around them.
theknocker 4y ago
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TurkishPoptart 4y ago
>COVID-19 is far more serious than a cold Not for kids. And we always knew this, but our public officials didn't listen. It's one of those cases where it was better to do _nothing_ instead of force this massive mask trauma on our children. And still, they want us to vax 5 year olds against a virus that has long passed us by. For what?
tristanbvk 4y ago
I'm pretty sure I caught COVID but thought I was constipated (suffer from that because I eat lots of tastey stuff). Anyways, long story short - I'm pretty sure it was COVID .

tmn 4y ago

This may be true, but doesn’t match many peoples direct experience. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, don’t be surprised when people think it’s a duck

jamie1np 4y ago
If a creature that quacks like a duck killed over 1000 children in less than 3 years(1) I would be surprised if people still treated it as a duck. 1) https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b...
- andscoop 4y ago
  As someone who was vaccinated three times, obeyed quarantine and had a kid during the pandemic— I don’t think that stat is having the effect you intended. Kids were relatively resilient from the virus. Now addressing the logic in your response, are you suggesting we should have similar school shutdown measures for the flu every year? For a similar three year period influenza will kill 400-600 kids.
- TurkishPoptart 4y ago
  I'm curious how this compares to other causes of deaths for kids under 18. I'm sure there have been more teen suicides, overdoses, accidents, and car accidents that tragically ended lives (about which the government largely does nothing, except for the National Suicide Hotline, which is important).
sli 4y ago
> ... but doesn’t match many peoples direct experience. And that doesn't matter one bit, because their direct experience means nothing to the actual reality. Millions of people are dead and using one's own personal experience to pretend that it was actually no big deal is just willful ignorance.
- progrus 4y ago
  As you grow older and wiser, remember that you said this: “Their direct experience means nothing to the actual reality.” This is how the enlightenment ends, in a nutshell. Over-confident denial of reality, supported by misleading statistics and buggy models. “Since we’re awash in this contemporary ocean of speculation, we forget that things can be known with certainty, and that we need not live in a fearful world of interminable unsupported opinion. But the gulf that separates hard fact from speculation is by now so unfamiliar that most people can’t comprehend it.” — Michael Crichton
  - maltalex 4y ago
    I’m glad that no one close to you died because of this disease. Other people’s experience is very different. Your anecdotal experience is not reality.
    - mathwords 4y ago
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    - collyw 4y ago
      Your argument is an appeal to emotion, not to facts.
  - mhoad 4y ago
    I think you will find they were saying that there were more than 6 million deaths from it globally so far and the fact that your personal experience with it wasn’t particularly serious isn’t a meaningful data point. I’d also argue that a random quote from the author of Jurassic Park isn’t really moving the conversation forward.
voidwtf 4y ago
“Many people’s direct experience” Those same “many people” are often quoted, often alluded to, and often used to ignore quantifiable facts. Your direct experience does not negate my direct experience, and I’ve never experienced an otherwise healthy adult entering the hospital because of a bad case of the flu and dying. I cannot say the same for COVID. While I agree that COVID may have been overblown in some respects, it was also politicized and in doing so a lot of FUD was spread. Which led to many people rejecting a vaccine that would have reduced the impact to not only themselves but the rest of the population around them.

theknocker 4y ago

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TurkishPoptart 4y ago

>COVID-19 is far more serious than a cold Not for kids. And we always knew this, but our public officials didn't listen. It's one of those cases where it was better to do _nothing_ instead of force this massive mask trauma on our children. And still, they want us to vax 5 year olds against a virus that has long passed us by. For what?

tristanbvk 4y ago

I'm pretty sure I caught COVID but thought I was constipated (suffer from that because I eat lots of tastey stuff). Anyways, long story short - I'm pretty sure it was COVID .