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it's not an overreaction to that movie.

by snickerbockers 4y ago

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Why?
- snickerbockers 4y ago
  It was a slap in the face to everyone who loved the original trilogy. Luke went from being the idealistic young man who saw the good in vader and established a new generation of Jedi to being a bitter old man who fucked it all up by trying to murder his nephew because he had a bad dream. It honestly felt like it was made by people who had a legitimate contempt for the franchise. Also had several plot holes, poor fight choreography, and dumb dialogue. Plus the whole tone of it was off, like when the movie seemingly ends on a positive note after the entire resistance is wiped out.
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- boppo1 4y ago
  iirc it's extremely authoritarian. "Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. You do not need to understand their reasoning." We follow our heroes through an adventure and then our expectations are subverted when we learn their insubordinate adventure was bad and we're bad for rooting for them. Sorta flies in the face of everything people liked about star wars before it.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    I mean, the conclusion from the entire series is that the jedi were not a force for good and anakin really did bring about a needed balance in the force.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    >Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. The entire Jedi thread throughout all of Star Wars is like that. An over 20-year old essay by David Brin goes into this at length. https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html I didn't love the sequel trilogy--though it was better than the prequels. (Although truth be told, the Phantom Menace and Jar-jar in particular so poisoned the well for the prequels that I think otherwise #2 and #3 would have been looked on more favorably. See also Machete order.)
  - morelisp 4y ago
    The Last Jedi is literally the only movie in the series to propose that a pseudo-religious order of wise men with a side obsession concerning blood lineages may not be the best way to structure a political movement.
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      I propose instead strange women in pools distributing light sabers.
    - snickerbockers 4y ago
      "A side obsession concerning blood lineages"? My dude, they're not even allowed to have families. There are no blood lineages. Also the prequel trilogy made a good case for the ineptitude of the Jedi order, they allow themselves to be manipulated into fighting a war orchestrated by a sith Lord and overlook several red flags coming from anakin.

it's not an overreaction to that movie.

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Why?

snickerbockers 4y ago
It was a slap in the face to everyone who loved the original trilogy. Luke went from being the idealistic young man who saw the good in vader and established a new generation of Jedi to being a bitter old man who fucked it all up by trying to murder his nephew because he had a bad dream. It honestly felt like it was made by people who had a legitimate contempt for the franchise. Also had several plot holes, poor fight choreography, and dumb dialogue. Plus the whole tone of it was off, like when the movie seemingly ends on a positive note after the entire resistance is wiped out.
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boppo1 4y ago
iirc it's extremely authoritarian. "Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. You do not need to understand their reasoning." We follow our heroes through an adventure and then our expectations are subverted when we learn their insubordinate adventure was bad and we're bad for rooting for them. Sorta flies in the face of everything people liked about star wars before it.
- dekhn 4y ago
  I mean, the conclusion from the entire series is that the jedi were not a force for good and anakin really did bring about a needed balance in the force.
- ghaff 4y ago
  >Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. The entire Jedi thread throughout all of Star Wars is like that. An over 20-year old essay by David Brin goes into this at length. https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html I didn't love the sequel trilogy--though it was better than the prequels. (Although truth be told, the Phantom Menace and Jar-jar in particular so poisoned the well for the prequels that I think otherwise #2 and #3 would have been looked on more favorably. See also Machete order.)
- morelisp 4y ago
  The Last Jedi is literally the only movie in the series to propose that a pseudo-religious order of wise men with a side obsession concerning blood lineages may not be the best way to structure a political movement.
  - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
    I propose instead strange women in pools distributing light sabers.
  - snickerbockers 4y ago
    "A side obsession concerning blood lineages"? My dude, they're not even allowed to have families. There are no blood lineages. Also the prequel trilogy made a good case for the ineptitude of the Jedi order, they allow themselves to be manipulated into fighting a war orchestrated by a sith Lord and overlook several red flags coming from anakin.