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"We want it to look like MacOS, but without any consistency and keeping some system components that were written for Windows XP, but we haven't bothered to upda

"We want it to look like MacOS, but without any consistency and keeping some system components that were written for Windows XP, but we haven't bothered to update yet." "It will require the lastest processors and 32 GB of RAM because OEMs need to sell computers and all of the windows components are using Electron (or similar memory-hungry web UIs)." "Teams and Loop will be fully integrated to enable maximum synergy for organizations and pro-sumers." "MSN and News will also be fully integrated to help keep users informed about current events, their favorite celebrities, and great deals that are availble when they shop with Edge and search with Bing."

tgv 4y ago
You write it as a joke, but I recently got myself a PC with Win11Pro. First glance: brand new UI. Until you open some specific settings, or choose "more options" from a context menu, then it's Windows 10. Then you need to tweak something else, and it's suddenly it's Windows XP. And when you go to something in the device/hardware area, you're confronted with a dialog that hasn't changed since NT.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  The people who remember how the low-level stuff works are long gone. Through a combination of received wisdom and good old-fashioned operant conditioning, the devs who are left don't dare touch any of it. It's third-rail code.
- jacooper 4y ago
  The more option menu is just a joke, they really couldn't bother to just fully migrate it? For all its failures, the linux desktop has one of the best if not the best design consistency out there
- rcxdude 4y ago
  Yeah, Windows would be 100% better if they just picked one UI design approach and actually made everything work through it.
- Jorengarenar 4y ago
  I watched a video of somebody removing Program Files and related folders until the system stop working. At some point Win11 reverted itself into Win10
  - fooofw 4y ago
    Maybe this one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BVIN_PJu2rs https://youtube.com/watch?v=BVIN_PJu2rs Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33954176 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33954176
- eco 4y ago
  They've slowly been replacing these legacy interfaces with the modern UI. It seems to have accelerated under Windows 11 but it's been ongoing since Windows 8.
- pram 4y ago
  The thing that blows my mind is how settings are just straight up duplicated. Like monitor sleep settings is in the Windows 10 style display preference panel. But it’s ALSO in a weird Windows Vista looking preferences window too. You have to use the second one to switch the “profile” as well. It’s some serious garbage.
- bitL 4y ago
  Just wait until they add Android UI as well!
- nly 4y ago
  Why reskin, redesign or rewrite something that has been stable and just fine for 10-15 years? Especially if you only access it once in a blue moon
  - none_to_remain 4y ago
    Because it's not like you go to the Control Panel, and when you go to "devices" that brings up an old UI. Instead you have a number of "control panels" that bring up confusingly overlapping mix of old and new UIs.
- Braini 4y ago
  And, fun fact, these old(er) dialogs are still often better/easier to understand than the new ones. This may be partially nostalgia speaking but I really dislike the new settings and would like to have kept Windows 7 style control panel with some improvements (e.g. resizable, layout managed dialogs). But it is what it is, on the Mac side it also started going downhill after catalina.
- alexvoda 4y ago
  Meanwhile, KDE Plasma is getting better with each version.
giancarlostoro 4y ago
I found myself buying a computer this holiday season and spending over a thousand dollars on it. Then realized Windows 11 isnt the Pro version, anyway I went to add a new Windows User and the app told me to go to another app because its not supported from there in my edition of Windows, when I got to the other app, it said to go back to the first app. I literally just said screw it and installed POP OS. Steam runs all the games I have tried so far just fine (I have a 3080 so it probably helps to have a known GPU) and I dont see myself going back. I used to use Linux daily for work at a former job anyway. I really want Microsoft to just make a version of Windows for actual Pros that doesnt pull you into their ecosystem. I want my OS to just be an OS.
- unixbotnuke 4y ago
  Yes this is annoying. Ideally my computer should just do what I want it to, and not gaslight me into whatever metrics Microsoft program managers are optimizing for to get their bonuses…as in selling more OneDrive or Xbox live subscriptions.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    Welp, it's what they said they would do and now they are doing it.
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thefz 4y ago
Yeah, but not that the Mac OS UI is lightning fast, or state of the art either.

tgv 4y ago

You write it as a joke, but I recently got myself a PC with Win11Pro. First glance: brand new UI. Until you open some specific settings, or choose "more options" from a context menu, then it's Windows 10. Then you need to tweak something else, and it's suddenly it's Windows XP. And when you go to something in the device/hardware area, you're confronted with a dialog that hasn't changed since NT.

CamperBob2 4y ago
The people who remember how the low-level stuff works are long gone. Through a combination of received wisdom and good old-fashioned operant conditioning, the devs who are left don't dare touch any of it. It's third-rail code.
jacooper 4y ago
The more option menu is just a joke, they really couldn't bother to just fully migrate it? For all its failures, the linux desktop has one of the best if not the best design consistency out there
rcxdude 4y ago
Yeah, Windows would be 100% better if they just picked one UI design approach and actually made everything work through it.
Jorengarenar 4y ago
I watched a video of somebody removing Program Files and related folders until the system stop working. At some point Win11 reverted itself into Win10
- fooofw 4y ago
  Maybe this one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BVIN_PJu2rs https://youtube.com/watch?v=BVIN_PJu2rs Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33954176 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33954176
eco 4y ago
They've slowly been replacing these legacy interfaces with the modern UI. It seems to have accelerated under Windows 11 but it's been ongoing since Windows 8.
pram 4y ago
The thing that blows my mind is how settings are just straight up duplicated. Like monitor sleep settings is in the Windows 10 style display preference panel. But it’s ALSO in a weird Windows Vista looking preferences window too. You have to use the second one to switch the “profile” as well. It’s some serious garbage.
bitL 4y ago
Just wait until they add Android UI as well!
nly 4y ago
Why reskin, redesign or rewrite something that has been stable and just fine for 10-15 years? Especially if you only access it once in a blue moon
- none_to_remain 4y ago
  Because it's not like you go to the Control Panel, and when you go to "devices" that brings up an old UI. Instead you have a number of "control panels" that bring up confusingly overlapping mix of old and new UIs.
Braini 4y ago
And, fun fact, these old(er) dialogs are still often better/easier to understand than the new ones. This may be partially nostalgia speaking but I really dislike the new settings and would like to have kept Windows 7 style control panel with some improvements (e.g. resizable, layout managed dialogs). But it is what it is, on the Mac side it also started going downhill after catalina.
alexvoda 4y ago
Meanwhile, KDE Plasma is getting better with each version.

giancarlostoro 4y ago

I found myself buying a computer this holiday season and spending over a thousand dollars on it. Then realized Windows 11 isnt the Pro version, anyway I went to add a new Windows User and the app told me to go to another app because its not supported from there in my edition of Windows, when I got to the other app, it said to go back to the first app. I literally just said screw it and installed POP OS. Steam runs all the games I have tried so far just fine (I have a 3080 so it probably helps to have a known GPU) and I dont see myself going back. I used to use Linux daily for work at a former job anyway. I really want Microsoft to just make a version of Windows for actual Pros that doesnt pull you into their ecosystem. I want my OS to just be an OS.

unixbotnuke 4y ago
Yes this is annoying. Ideally my computer should just do what I want it to, and not gaslight me into whatever metrics Microsoft program managers are optimizing for to get their bonuses…as in selling more OneDrive or Xbox live subscriptions.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  Welp, it's what they said they would do and now they are doing it.

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thefz 4y ago

Yeah, but not that the Mac OS UI is lightning fast, or state of the art either.