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As a content creator, I believe unstable diffusion and AI models is theft, at least in a moral sense. Computer programmers have taken all the art that humans ha

As a content creator, I believe unstable diffusion and AI models is theft, at least in a moral sense. Computer programmers have taken all the art that humans have worked hard to produce, and are producing it themselves at a rate much faster than any artist can produce it and reaping the financial benefits. Because AI is so general, it operates on a scale not previously known in the realm of automation, and so it's too much of an unfair advantage -- far more so than someone coming up with an invention that makes a few other previous inventions obsolete. AI is like an alien race coming to our planet. The alien race is so advanced that it can do everything better than any human, and they use their technology to sell us perfect products of every nature in return for degrading acts. Such a thing disrupts the fabric of society, which is held together by people needing each other. Computer programmers and tech companies are not just robbing artists, but robbing all of humanity of the necessities that we need in order to have a fair chance at this world.

nxmnxm99 4y ago
Nonsense. The "art" you're creating is derivative of art other people made which you saw and learned from/incorporated into your own work. More to the point, much of modern art is derivative nonsense that lacks soul - which is why it's modern artists who are scared of AI. Their work is easy to mimic. AI isn't going to replace a Van Gogh anytime soon.
- spoiler 4y ago
  > Nonsense. The "art" you're creating is derivative of art other people made which you saw and learned from/incorporated into your own work. Do you then believe humanity has exhausted its well of original thoughts? That would includes you and this statement, by the way (unless you hold yourself in unnaturally high regard, or are a rogue AI) Edit: phrasing
EarlKing 4y ago
If it's not reproducing protectable expressions then it's not theft on any level, but merely another tool for producing art, albeit at an industrial scale. This happens in every profession eventually. It's simply your turn. For my part, I'm quite content with this state of affairs. Now, rather than paying exorbitant amounts of money for lackluster results from artists, people can use so-called AI to generate decent results on the cheap. On a long enough timeline this should result in the price of art assets for games dropping into the basement where they belong, taking the price of games with them in the process. The public benefits, while intermediaries lose. I fail to see the problem. TL;DR Humanity should not be compelled to dwell in darkness so candlemakers can continue to profit.
- vouaobrasil 4y ago
  I certainly don't see how not using AI is dwelling in darkness. We can have a very nice and functional society without it. You also say that you hope AI will drop the price of art to the basement where it belongs. What if AI drops the cost of generating a computer program to the basement where it belongs, and programmers will be paid minimum wage? Would you be so content then? Frankly, the attitude on this board is dismaying, but that is expected because the people who are benefiting from AI with higher salaries are currently the programmers. It has nothing to do with logic or fairness, only selfishness.
  - polygamous_bat 4y ago
    > What if AI drops the cost of generating a computer program to the basement where it belongs, and programmers will be paid minimum wage? Would you be so content then? I'd be more than happy to get rid of the "programmers" that are generating the same quality code as Copilot. Engineers are employed to translate human needs into tangible system designs, that they have to write code to do so is mostly an artefact of our current system-building methodology. In fact, I would be immensely happy if I could get rid of that part.
    - spoiler 4y ago
      > Engineers are employed to translate human needs into tangible system designs, I mean, isn't this with achievable prompt refinement? One could argue that it wouldn't satisfy some $arbitrary_dimension (scalability, accessibility, whatever), but you can imagine it wouldn't be hard to get there with prompt refinement eventually, especially on an AI trained to satisfy SWE requirement (and not talking about GH's Copilot,which is an early application of a fairly young technology)
      - spoiler 4y ago
        Then again, it also seems we perform worse when using AI tools, so maybe I'm wrong https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.03622 https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.03622
thethethethe 4y ago
> Computer programmers and tech companies are not just robbing artists, but robbing all of humanity of the necessities that we need in order to have a fair chance at this world A fair chance at what exactly? Creating corporate memphis for Big Co? Besides, isn't AI just a tool that humans use? Unless I am missing something, people still prompt the AI, curate it's output, and edit the final results. Perhaps this will make art accessible to more people, thus giving everyone a fairer chance in this world.
kergonath 4y ago
You are right in some respects. There are moral issues, and this is a machine coming for (parts of) your job. That said, it is not theft, however you slice it. What you express is what a lot of other workers feel when they see automation and mechanisation making progress in squeezing them out of their jobs. It is normal to be afraid, but you are not going to stop the tide. Some people will get out of business, some people will keep doing their thing until they retire, and over a generation or two a shift will have happened. If it makes you feel better, pretty much no job is immune from this, in the same way that all manual labour is susceptible to be replace with robots. Other people will feel the same way you do now before long.

nxmnxm99 4y ago

Nonsense. The "art" you're creating is derivative of art other people made which you saw and learned from/incorporated into your own work. More to the point, much of modern art is derivative nonsense that lacks soul - which is why it's modern artists who are scared of AI. Their work is easy to mimic. AI isn't going to replace a Van Gogh anytime soon.

spoiler 4y ago
> Nonsense. The "art" you're creating is derivative of art other people made which you saw and learned from/incorporated into your own work. Do you then believe humanity has exhausted its well of original thoughts? That would includes you and this statement, by the way (unless you hold yourself in unnaturally high regard, or are a rogue AI) Edit: phrasing

EarlKing 4y ago

If it's not reproducing protectable expressions then it's not theft on any level, but merely another tool for producing art, albeit at an industrial scale. This happens in every profession eventually. It's simply your turn. For my part, I'm quite content with this state of affairs. Now, rather than paying exorbitant amounts of money for lackluster results from artists, people can use so-called AI to generate decent results on the cheap. On a long enough timeline this should result in the price of art assets for games dropping into the basement where they belong, taking the price of games with them in the process. The public benefits, while intermediaries lose. I fail to see the problem. TL;DR Humanity should not be compelled to dwell in darkness so candlemakers can continue to profit.

vouaobrasil 4y ago
I certainly don't see how not using AI is dwelling in darkness. We can have a very nice and functional society without it. You also say that you hope AI will drop the price of art to the basement where it belongs. What if AI drops the cost of generating a computer program to the basement where it belongs, and programmers will be paid minimum wage? Would you be so content then? Frankly, the attitude on this board is dismaying, but that is expected because the people who are benefiting from AI with higher salaries are currently the programmers. It has nothing to do with logic or fairness, only selfishness.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  > What if AI drops the cost of generating a computer program to the basement where it belongs, and programmers will be paid minimum wage? Would you be so content then? I'd be more than happy to get rid of the "programmers" that are generating the same quality code as Copilot. Engineers are employed to translate human needs into tangible system designs, that they have to write code to do so is mostly an artefact of our current system-building methodology. In fact, I would be immensely happy if I could get rid of that part.
  - spoiler 4y ago
    > Engineers are employed to translate human needs into tangible system designs, I mean, isn't this with achievable prompt refinement? One could argue that it wouldn't satisfy some $arbitrary_dimension (scalability, accessibility, whatever), but you can imagine it wouldn't be hard to get there with prompt refinement eventually, especially on an AI trained to satisfy SWE requirement (and not talking about GH's Copilot,which is an early application of a fairly young technology)
    - spoiler 4y ago
      Then again, it also seems we perform worse when using AI tools, so maybe I'm wrong https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.03622 https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.03622

thethethethe 4y ago

> Computer programmers and tech companies are not just robbing artists, but robbing all of humanity of the necessities that we need in order to have a fair chance at this world A fair chance at what exactly? Creating corporate memphis for Big Co? Besides, isn't AI just a tool that humans use? Unless I am missing something, people still prompt the AI, curate it's output, and edit the final results. Perhaps this will make art accessible to more people, thus giving everyone a fairer chance in this world.

kergonath 4y ago

You are right in some respects. There are moral issues, and this is a machine coming for (parts of) your job. That said, it is not theft, however you slice it. What you express is what a lot of other workers feel when they see automation and mechanisation making progress in squeezing them out of their jobs. It is normal to be afraid, but you are not going to stop the tide. Some people will get out of business, some people will keep doing their thing until they retire, and over a generation or two a shift will have happened. If it makes you feel better, pretty much no job is immune from this, in the same way that all manual labour is susceptible to be replace with robots. Other people will feel the same way you do now before long.