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Not really. What are the intelligence agencies supposed to do if not exactly what is being “revealed”? Are they not allowed to talk to private companies or citi

Not really. What are the intelligence agencies supposed to do if not exactly what is being “revealed”? Are they not allowed to talk to private companies or citizens? If it was being revealed that they were making demands and forcing companies to do things that would be a serious issue. Instead they are asking, nicely, and even paying them for their time and work.

asynchronous 4y ago
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- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > "these are Russian disinfo, eradicate them" The actual wording, of course, was this sort of thing: "FBI San Francisco is notifying you of the below accounts which may potentially constitute violations of Twitter's Terms of Service for any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy..." (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-employees-notified-twitter-workers-users-potentially-violate-terms-service-twitter-files https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-employees-notified-twit...)
  - Fellshard 4y ago
    If the FBI sends such an email, there is a tacit threat of criminal liability.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      That's really not how criminal liability works.
      - Fellshard 4y ago
        De facto more than de jour, given how the FBI has been operating.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  > these are Russian disinfo And is that the case of those accounts? Do we have access to what 5ose accounts have propagated?
- acdha 4y ago
  Can you cite a source? Be specific.
elurg 4y ago
The distinction between the government "asking nicely" and "making demands" is not strong enough. In theory could Twitter could have resisted but the costs would have been quite high. The government should be prohibited from making such requests. It's also apparent that regarding the Hunter Biden story the FBI outright lied in order to make web platforms censor the story.
- acdha 4y ago
  > The distinction between the government "asking nicely" and "making demands" is not strong enough. In theory could Twitter could have resisted but the costs would have been quite high. Really? Companies do this all of the time. For example, how many billions did Apple lose for resisting the FBI’s requests with the San Bernardino shooter? > It's also apparent that regarding the Hunter Biden story the FBI outright lied in order to make web platforms censor the story. Can you be specific about this? The “Twitter Files” and all extent accounts say the opposite – and that was the best the right-wing media could find – and if you’re thinking about Zuckerberg’s interview, he specifically said the FBI did not make a request in this case.
  - elurg 4y ago
    As far as I understand the FBI knew that the Hunter Biden story was real but encouraged everybody else to believe that it was a Russian hoax. Doesn't this count as lying? It's not just lying, it's explicit disinformation with an electoral goal. This went so far that major web platforms blocked all forms of disagreement and the public dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. It was highly effective. I hate Trump's guts but it's important to acknowledge the enormous amount of effort that went into covering up the behavior of Biden's son.
    - acdha 4y ago
      Can you cite any of those claims? What’s been established in public and e.g. Zuckerberg’s interview was that they warned companies to be wary about another repeat of election interference, but nobody is saying that the FBI told them to kill this story. > This went so far that major web platforms blocked all forms of disagreement and the public dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. It was highly effective This is imaginary: I’m not even sure why you’re lying about something we all remember, especially since nothing in the laptop data was even substantial even if was all true.

asynchronous 4y ago

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ceejayoz 4y ago
> "these are Russian disinfo, eradicate them" The actual wording, of course, was this sort of thing: "FBI San Francisco is notifying you of the below accounts which may potentially constitute violations of Twitter's Terms of Service for any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy..." (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-employees-notified-twitter-workers-users-potentially-violate-terms-service-twitter-files https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-employees-notified-twit...)
- Fellshard 4y ago
  If the FBI sends such an email, there is a tacit threat of criminal liability.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    That's really not how criminal liability works.
    - Fellshard 4y ago
      De facto more than de jour, given how the FBI has been operating.
andsoitis 4y ago
> these are Russian disinfo And is that the case of those accounts? Do we have access to what 5ose accounts have propagated?
acdha 4y ago
Can you cite a source? Be specific.

elurg 4y ago

The distinction between the government "asking nicely" and "making demands" is not strong enough. In theory could Twitter could have resisted but the costs would have been quite high. The government should be prohibited from making such requests. It's also apparent that regarding the Hunter Biden story the FBI outright lied in order to make web platforms censor the story.

acdha 4y ago
> The distinction between the government "asking nicely" and "making demands" is not strong enough. In theory could Twitter could have resisted but the costs would have been quite high. Really? Companies do this all of the time. For example, how many billions did Apple lose for resisting the FBI’s requests with the San Bernardino shooter? > It's also apparent that regarding the Hunter Biden story the FBI outright lied in order to make web platforms censor the story. Can you be specific about this? The “Twitter Files” and all extent accounts say the opposite – and that was the best the right-wing media could find – and if you’re thinking about Zuckerberg’s interview, he specifically said the FBI did not make a request in this case.
- elurg 4y ago
  As far as I understand the FBI knew that the Hunter Biden story was real but encouraged everybody else to believe that it was a Russian hoax. Doesn't this count as lying? It's not just lying, it's explicit disinformation with an electoral goal. This went so far that major web platforms blocked all forms of disagreement and the public dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. It was highly effective. I hate Trump's guts but it's important to acknowledge the enormous amount of effort that went into covering up the behavior of Biden's son.
  - acdha 4y ago
    Can you cite any of those claims? What’s been established in public and e.g. Zuckerberg’s interview was that they warned companies to be wary about another repeat of election interference, but nobody is saying that the FBI told them to kill this story. > This went so far that major web platforms blocked all forms of disagreement and the public dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. It was highly effective This is imaginary: I’m not even sure why you’re lying about something we all remember, especially since nothing in the laptop data was even substantial even if was all true.