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Why are you bringing up CSAM or revenge porn when the material and accounts referenced by the Twitter Files were ones that post content that was misaligned with

by lhnz 4y ago

Why are you bringing up CSAM or revenge porn when the material and accounts referenced by the Twitter Files were ones that post content that was misaligned with the geopolitical goals of various US government organisations? See: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701436104245248?s=46&t=l9Mz-OVjOpDrmwGJvq5udg https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701436104245248?s=46&... and earlier parts that show that their own influence campaigns had free reign: https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1605294195975114765?s=46&t=c1XYo2QEa4dWVRcxNAhWBg https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1605294195975114765?s=46&t...

astrange 4y ago
No, Taibbi is just lying. You can look up the deleted posts on archive.org and they’re pictures of Hunter Biden’s penis, which I will not link. Some of them aren’t; these are mistakes. law enforcement can report posts the same way anyone else can, and if they report the wrong ones you can ignore them. They don’t have special powers. It’s fine. (Also, Taibbi moved to Russia in the 90s, assaulted underage women, and publicly wrote about it in his publication the Exile. This is also a kind of bias.)
- lhnz 4y ago
  The context and text within the emails doesn't match what you just wrote and from what I've seen there were 1000s of deletions -- not only of Hunter Biden's penis as you imply... It makes zero sense to me that this email (https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701482308669440?s=46&t=KYdL5AiudlmhYzDDj3HeLA https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701482308669440?s=46&...) would have anything to do with Hunter Biden's penis. The Twitter employee is clearly talking about feeling unable to not act on a pro-russian tweet even though they hadn't been able to support any action on it using Twitter's own policies. The point is, the US government partially infiltrated Twitter, and then applied regular external pressure on it to applying badly defined policies against their targets.
  - astrange 4y ago
    Btw, I endorse all US influence operations run on any websites and think all of them are awesome. America #1, after all. If you want Twitter to be upset about that one, you may have to get them to move to some non-aligned country. Maybe there’s some kind of Yandex Twitter? In the meantime, it’s probably against TOS insofar as it’s a spambot, but state media like VOA seem okay.
    - lhnz 4y ago
      Well, how soon will it be until non-US aligned social media like TikTok is banned in the US anyway? The popular alternatives that you speak of may end up banned. Also I don't understand why non-US citizens should be allowed to have their speech rights crushed by the US government. Many people of different nationalities live in the US and should be free to speak -- they shouldn't be censored by the US government wearing a glove ("US Tech Organisations") but effectively calling the shots.
      - astrange 4y ago
        If TikTok was banned that’d be disappointing. I don’t expect it to be; the plan where Oracle bought it was better. It is a problem that China influences it. I don’t think the EU is capable of making a popular social media site either unfortunately. They don’t have the culture. Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up, like their wolf warrior diplomats and Chen Weihua, which is another good sign for what they’re allowing elsewhere. Maybe that’s just because Chen is so incompetent it’s funny to let him post…
        seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        > Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up Isn’t Twitter blocked in China? Do wolf warriors not see any hypocrisy in using it?
        astrange 4y ago
        Why would they do that? It’s normal for Chinese export and domestic businesses to be completely different too - you can get all the Winnie the Pooh merch you want made there. Not being hypocritical isn’t even a universal virtue.
- fragmede 4y ago
  We can dispute the veracity of dumps without resorting to ad hominem attacks
  - astrange 4y ago
    I think Elon literally hiring a Russian sex criminal to release his news for him is a considerably more notable thing than an ad hominem attack! It’s not like he was the most natural choice. (Not intended as an ad hominem on Elon, who has more than enough problems. Literally I don’t know why he did it.) He could’ve just had Bari Weiss release everything. (Weiss has, in the meantime, been unfollowed and presumably fired as Elon’s journalist because she tried to mildly criticize him once.)
    - lhnz 4y ago
      There are a group of people releasing the Twitter Files. Are we going to name call them all as sex criminals? Were any even found to be guilty by a court or are you simply applying dirty tricks? And how is that relevant to the truth of the content? Are you going to respond to me telling me that at the root of this is Hunter Biden's penis?
      - astrange 4y ago
        No, only Taibbi is. I think there’s a third guy but can’t say I know anything about him. But this is something in the real world, not a logic puzzle, and unfortunately in the real world you actually do need to consider the context of everything using all available information. I mean, you going “this guy is just coincidentally a sex offender” is not the common man on the street’s response, and most journalists are literally not sex offenders. I don’t know what Elon is doing. He’s of course extremely compromised by multiple governments, I mean he owns SpaceX and a Chinese Tesla factory, and Saudi Arabia (who’s planted spies at Twitter before) is a major investor now. I also suspect Elon doesn’t know what he’s doing, though.
        lhnz 4y ago
        I think you should apply the same criticism and context to your own posts, which literally consist of trying to link information to sex crime in order to attempt to change the conversation.
- brutusborn 4y ago
  Source for Taibbi assaulting women? The only thing I can find is a book chapter satirizing misogynistic expat attitudes.
  - astrange 4y ago
    https://chicagoreader.com/blogs/twenty-years-ago-in-moscow-matt-taibbi-was-a-misogynist-asshole-and-possibly-worse/ https://chicagoreader.com/blogs/twenty-years-ago-in-moscow-m... Him saying “oh I didn’t mean it” only in 2017 when people asked about during a MeToo wave isn’t, I think, particularly convincing.

by lhnz 4y ago

astrange 4y ago

No, Taibbi is just lying. You can look up the deleted posts on archive.org and they’re pictures of Hunter Biden’s penis, which I will not link. Some of them aren’t; these are mistakes. law enforcement can report posts the same way anyone else can, and if they report the wrong ones you can ignore them. They don’t have special powers. It’s fine. (Also, Taibbi moved to Russia in the 90s, assaulted underage women, and publicly wrote about it in his publication the Exile. This is also a kind of bias.)

lhnz 4y ago
The context and text within the emails doesn't match what you just wrote and from what I've seen there were 1000s of deletions -- not only of Hunter Biden's penis as you imply... It makes zero sense to me that this email (https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701482308669440?s=46&t=KYdL5AiudlmhYzDDj3HeLA https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701482308669440?s=46&...) would have anything to do with Hunter Biden's penis. The Twitter employee is clearly talking about feeling unable to not act on a pro-russian tweet even though they hadn't been able to support any action on it using Twitter's own policies. The point is, the US government partially infiltrated Twitter, and then applied regular external pressure on it to applying badly defined policies against their targets.
- astrange 4y ago
  Btw, I endorse all US influence operations run on any websites and think all of them are awesome. America #1, after all. If you want Twitter to be upset about that one, you may have to get them to move to some non-aligned country. Maybe there’s some kind of Yandex Twitter? In the meantime, it’s probably against TOS insofar as it’s a spambot, but state media like VOA seem okay.
  - lhnz 4y ago
    Well, how soon will it be until non-US aligned social media like TikTok is banned in the US anyway? The popular alternatives that you speak of may end up banned. Also I don't understand why non-US citizens should be allowed to have their speech rights crushed by the US government. Many people of different nationalities live in the US and should be free to speak -- they shouldn't be censored by the US government wearing a glove ("US Tech Organisations") but effectively calling the shots.
    - astrange 4y ago
      If TikTok was banned that’d be disappointing. I don’t expect it to be; the plan where Oracle bought it was better. It is a problem that China influences it. I don’t think the EU is capable of making a popular social media site either unfortunately. They don’t have the culture. Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up, like their wolf warrior diplomats and Chen Weihua, which is another good sign for what they’re allowing elsewhere. Maybe that’s just because Chen is so incompetent it’s funny to let him post…
      - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        > Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up Isn’t Twitter blocked in China? Do wolf warriors not see any hypocrisy in using it?
        astrange 4y ago
        Why would they do that? It’s normal for Chinese export and domestic businesses to be completely different too - you can get all the Winnie the Pooh merch you want made there. Not being hypocritical isn’t even a universal virtue.
fragmede 4y ago
We can dispute the veracity of dumps without resorting to ad hominem attacks
- astrange 4y ago
  I think Elon literally hiring a Russian sex criminal to release his news for him is a considerably more notable thing than an ad hominem attack! It’s not like he was the most natural choice. (Not intended as an ad hominem on Elon, who has more than enough problems. Literally I don’t know why he did it.) He could’ve just had Bari Weiss release everything. (Weiss has, in the meantime, been unfollowed and presumably fired as Elon’s journalist because she tried to mildly criticize him once.)
  - lhnz 4y ago
    There are a group of people releasing the Twitter Files. Are we going to name call them all as sex criminals? Were any even found to be guilty by a court or are you simply applying dirty tricks? And how is that relevant to the truth of the content? Are you going to respond to me telling me that at the root of this is Hunter Biden's penis?
    - astrange 4y ago
      No, only Taibbi is. I think there’s a third guy but can’t say I know anything about him. But this is something in the real world, not a logic puzzle, and unfortunately in the real world you actually do need to consider the context of everything using all available information. I mean, you going “this guy is just coincidentally a sex offender” is not the common man on the street’s response, and most journalists are literally not sex offenders. I don’t know what Elon is doing. He’s of course extremely compromised by multiple governments, I mean he owns SpaceX and a Chinese Tesla factory, and Saudi Arabia (who’s planted spies at Twitter before) is a major investor now. I also suspect Elon doesn’t know what he’s doing, though.
      - lhnz 4y ago
        I think you should apply the same criticism and context to your own posts, which literally consist of trying to link information to sex crime in order to attempt to change the conversation.
brutusborn 4y ago
Source for Taibbi assaulting women? The only thing I can find is a book chapter satirizing misogynistic expat attitudes.
- astrange 4y ago
  https://chicagoreader.com/blogs/twenty-years-ago-in-moscow-matt-taibbi-was-a-misogynist-asshole-and-possibly-worse/ https://chicagoreader.com/blogs/twenty-years-ago-in-moscow-m... Him saying “oh I didn’t mean it” only in 2017 when people asked about during a MeToo wave isn’t, I think, particularly convincing.