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If this db contains phonenumbers everyone has effectively been doxxed. All sites requiring phonenumbers should be outlawed or get shut down if they have any bre
by kossTKR 4y ago
If this db contains phonenumbers everyone has effectively been doxxed. All sites requiring phonenumbers should be outlawed or get shut down if they have any breaches, this is potentially a privacy catastrophe and potentially dangerous for thousands of individuals.
- keewee7 4y agoDiscord is the worst offender because it only allows one phone number to validate one account. Meanwhile I have multiple Google and twitter accounts validated through one phone number.
- whywhywhywhy 4y agoMakes absolutely no sense now lots of businesses are using Discord so how are you supposed to have a business Discord account.
- theCrowing 4y agoYou don't need to verify.
- whywhywhywhy 4y agoI can't remember why but I had to switch my phone number from my personal discord to my work discord, either to get it to allow me to login from my iOS Discord or something else asinine. I remember it took me maybe 40 minutes to get into the thing, haven't seen anything like it. So yeah, essentially you do need to verify.
- newsclues 4y agoFor many communities on Discord you must verify to gain entry.
- theCrowing 4y agoThat's the community's choice not discords... https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/216679607 https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/216679607
- rolenthedeep 4y agoAnd discord is making it impractical for those communities to make that choice
- theCrowing 4y agoHow?
- rolenthedeep 4y agoPlease read this comment chain from the beginning
- theCrowing 4y agoYour comment still doesn't make any sense. Either you want the highest verification tier and go with phone verification, or you don't. It's your choice as admin. As a user you can just delete the phone number from one account and use it to verify another... you will have a timeout [2] but both accounts will be verified. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it understandable to rate limit it? Yes. Is it impractical? No. [1] https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-How-to-Remove-a-Phone-Number https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413460214807-... [2] https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000961212-Phone-Verification https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000961212-P...
- notwokeno 4y agoThey're weird about it, sometimes you have to and sometimes they never ask. It's not like Twitter where you can use the site for an hour before they force you to verify. They probably do it so people will say what you said when people point out the problems with it.
- ratg13 4y agoPersonally I've had google accounts locked and suspended for using the same phone number on multiple accounts.
- junaru 4y ago[flagged]
- smcl 4y agoI don't know what you mean, plenty of people shit talk FB and much of it is deserved.
- MrSqueezles 4y agoPretty sure this comment is related to that recorded teleconference Elon joined to let everyone know that if you dox, even if you tweet about someone else doxxing and link to them, you're banned.
- CBarkleyU 4y agoPlease adhere to the HN guidelines for commenting.
- nkozyra 4y agoI don't think there's a lot of love out there for Facebook
- wrasee 4y agoDeleted. trifurcate is right.
- trifurcate 4y ago> And for once it’s the people in power that are going to be disproportionally affected Seriously? The people in power probably have many, many phone numbers, and getting a new one is not such a big deal. Getting a new phone number is a much bigger deal for people not in power, and so are the possible negative outcomes from this (e.g. revealing the hidden identity of stalked or politically prosecuted individuals who are not in positions of power)
- simonw 4y agoI think you may be over-estimating the technical competence of "people in power" there.
- wrasee 4y agoThat's a good point. Perhaps a weaker claim is just the idea that people in power (or more generally, people of influence) are as likely to have skin in the game, which can only drive engagement on the issue. That's different to many issues for which those in a position of power are often less affected directly.
- mortehu 4y agoTwitter doesn't require a phone number anymore. You can use it via the website or a mobile app. I have a an account from 2014 and it does not have a phone number associated.
- guessmyname 4y ago> Twitter doesn't require a phone number anymore. You can use it via the website or a mobile app. You used the word ”anymore”. Obviously, you are implying that Twitter required a phone number in the past, but because you did not specify the time of the change, we must assume. It could be that phone numbers are not required since an hour ago or a year ago. Regardless, if it was a requirement, chances are high that a good portion of the 400+M users in this (supposed) data breach were encouraged to share their phone number with Twitter. Not to dismiss your contribution but if you have to write ”anymore” I don’t see the point of your comment.
- partiallypro 4y agoTwitter originally was done via SMS, that's why status lengths were limited to 140 characters. So, obviously you needed a phone number when it first started.
- evan_ 4y agoIt was never only sms though.
- mcny 4y ago> Twitter originally was done via SMS, that's why status lengths were limited to 140 characters. So, obviously you needed a phone number when it first started. This isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about requiring users to "prove they are human" by giving Twitter a phone number and then entering an authentication code that they text to that number. It doesn't accomplish anything because I can get a new SIM card and a month of "unlimited" talk and text prepaid service for about USD 20(?). I didn't think of it much but looking back it is clearly a data grab.
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- evan_ 4y agoFrom the csv sample fewer than half include a phone number.
- severino 4y agoYou don't sign into a website forcing you to give them your real phone number if you fear being doxxed. How can anybody feel "anonymous" at that point?
- jl6 4y agoMaybe you don’t but plenty of people do. There’s a huge middle ground of people who aren’t aiming for “anonymous” and who aren’t doing professional opsec, but still expect not to have their pseudonymous online identities linked to their real-world-identity phone number. OP is right, this is a privacy disaster.
- iaml 4y agoCompanies know that people think like this nowadays, so they only require the phone number after you are already invested into the service. Twitter had this where they would allow you to not set phone initially, but then ban you some time later and require it to lift the ban. Microsoft also bans you for “suspicious activity” and the only way to unlock account is to “verify” your number. You can only contact them about it via another ms account or… by phone. Fuck everything about this tbh.
- zo1 4y agoFor everyone to know, Instagram does this too in a way. They would let me sign up with just an email, verify it, then at first login auto ban me. Giving me the option of appealing and tracking said appeal by giving them a phone number. The only way I could resolve it was by using a phone number. Meanwhile they've harvested 2-3 of my anon and temp emails.
- midasuni 4y agoI put a fake phone number into Twitter and a throwaway email. Got a few complaints about not having verified my number, then got banned for breaking the rules. “Your account is permanently suspended After careful review, we determined your account broke the Twitter Rules. Your account is permanently in read-only mode, which means you can’t Tweet, Retweet, or Like content. You won’t be able to create new accounts. If you think we got this wrong, you can submit an appeal.” I can’t even follow anyone, but at least I can read tweets. As I tweeted nothing nor indeed followed anyone all I can assume is that you have to have a real phone number to sign up.
- Semaphor 4y agoTwitch requires your phone number to a) become verified (because apparently paying them every month for 5 years is not a verification) and even dumber, b) to enable TOTP. And people on the Twitch subreddit insult you for even questioning this issue, even after they had a data leak. And yes, that's a majority opinion over there. It's sad.
- nubinetwork 4y agoBoth twitch and YouTube's subreddits aren't moderated by staff, but by random tryhards. If they don't like you, you're banned. Reminds me of Wikipedia.
- philpem 4y agoReminds me of furries, and a lot of other fandoms actually. A: "Hey I had a problem at the con this weekend" B: "How dare you talk about that, that's DRAMA! Take your DRAMA elsewhere, LLAMA. I'll have you know the guy who runs ConWeekend is my best friend! You're Banned for life! Long live ConWeekend! And here's that Japanese BANNED meme video to play you out! HAHA I SAVED THE FANDOM!"
- Semaphor 4y agoTbf, that's what I expect, most subs are community-run. But even if not, that'd be telling me a lot about the community.
- philpem 4y agoSome communities (fandom is probably a better word) are more like cults of personality than actual communities. Given the fannish nature of Twitch and its audience in general, this level of almost religious fanboying and "how dare you question the Gods" mentality is very familiar (my teens and 20s were spent in fandoms - first anime, then comics, then furry). I've seen this in every single one of them to some extent, but especially furry and Twitch. It's sad, because -- as they, sunlight is the best disinfectant -- and all this does is block the sunlight and discourage people from talking about issues.