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> I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. Where will you go? Wakanda?
by nonethewiser 4y ago
> I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough.
Where will you go? Wakanda?
- danny_codes 4y agoAnyplace in Europe I suppose. And I think plenty of other US cities. The bay is actually not very progressive. Economically I'd say it's purely neoliberal. We simply refuse to inconvenience the rich to fix things.
- Glawen 4y agoWhat does it mean to be progressive? All the woke movement we see now in Europe has been imported from US. We just copy paste stuff even when it makes no sense because we do not share the same history.
- cuteboy19 4y agoExample; British activists imported all the BLM stuff, including "Defund the Police". Unfortunately, police in Britain are already quite underfunded and don't have a lot of the negative aspects of American police.
- foreverCarlos 4y agoNot to defend this very poorly-named movement, but I think the main idea wasn't about defunding the police but about redirecting some of the funds from the police to other social services. Which again, in the case of the British police makes far less sense.
- fortuna86 4y agoLiterally anywhere in Europe outside of Poland or Hungary ?
- foreverCarlos 4y agoWelcome to Bulgaria, my friend. The most progressive country in the World! In all seriousness, if the parent commenter is expecting modern US woke-inspired progressive policies to be driving decision-making anywhere in Europe, they will be disappointed. (I don't like throwing the word "woke" around but have no better way to summarize the difference between the modern progressive movement and the original progressive movement in the US).
- bradlys 4y agoBoth movements in the US are very neoliberal. The US doesn’t have a real “left” movement. It has a center movement at most. Most posters here are talking about economics - which have little to do with “woke” anything.
- foreverCarlos 4y agoBy the "original movement" I mean Woodrow Wilson and such, which was not neo-liberal. The modern progressive movement is still left-leaning, at least by American standards (yes, quite different from European).
- fortuna86 4y agoBulgaria has single payer health care, it's to the left of most leftist states in the USA. And it's funny you recognize the usage of "woke" as problematic, but you still use it. Actual liberal politics means schools, roads, health care, climate, etc. It means a social safety net and labour protections. All of that are universal in Europe while most of it is completely lacking, as I said in even the most "liberal" parts of the US. Confusing policy (what matters) with social media arguments about what a woman is defined as is a distraction. It's meant to divide people that otherwise agree. Don't play into that game.
- foreverCarlos 4y agoBulgaria has a _terrible_ single payer health care system, an astonishing level of corruption, a powerful mafia that basically controls the government, widespread racism against the gypsies, dislike for anything LGBT, and many more not so liberal things. Cherry-picking the single payer health care system is silly. If you haven't noticed, I am talking about modern-day progressives, not liberal policies. The term "woke" describes best the difference between liberals/the original progressives and the modern type of progressives obsessed with race, sex, gender, and such.