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This makes you think that Paul would be interested in fighting for a world where people don't waste most of their short lives in bullshit corporate jobs because
by kubb 4y ago
This makes you think that Paul would be interested in fighting for a world where people don't waste most of their short lives in bullshit corporate jobs because the market demands it, and instead can focus on important things like their families.
- vt85 4y ago[dead]
- nullcaution 4y agoI feel that is kind of what we are seeing on mass in other sectors... quiet quitting, and the the like. People realized they don't have time for bullshit.
- tome 4y agoCan you say more about how that world would work?
- fsflover 4y agoFighting for a better version of this world does not imply having a utopia in mind. You can simply help people avoid bullshit as much as you can. In fact, this is what this essay does.
- ablatt89 4y agoFunny enough, I know some engineers who go to work, non-remote, to escape from their wife and kids for a bit and work becomes an avenue to relax! And having to take care of an aging parent who lives with me, I can understand.
- weatherlite 4y agoThat definitely exists. But I think there's more people who'd prefer to work less hours (and keep their current salary) than people who simply want to stay in the office more.
- markus_zhang 4y ago40yr old dad can relate. I need to leave the family and chill a bit once or twice a week and hybrid is a god send.
- Glawen 4y agoHybrid is the way to go! I do not like full remote because you get out of touch with the teams and office politics. When I'm full on site I cannot get my work done properly. Hybrid mode allows me to manage my schedule better, get shit done while remote, and keep up with office's politics while on site.
- nly 4y agoCan totally see that. I see.work colleagues who are new parents who seem to enjoy spending as many hours at the office as possible.
- breck 4y agoThe first years are brutally hard (the sleep deprivation in particular) and in my experience work is much easier than raising children, so there's definitely truth to that. The best is when you can do both at the same time. During COVID, for instance, I wrote code in one room while my 1yo played in the next (since everything was locked down). As she got older, she started asking questions and would even provide me advice "stop thinking daddy!" (just do, I assume she was implying). I think this is closer to how it was in the old days—where the kids worked alongside the parents in the farms or shops. You get to spend time with your children while teaching them your crafts and showing them the joy and passion of work. That is the good life, in my opinion.
- holoduke 4y agoA personal take on this. I found myself allowing too much screen time for the kids while working at home and having the kids around me. I couldnt give enough attention to either work and kids. Its good for everyone that everything is back to (normal)
- breck 4y agoOh I would agree. Luckily we had dual income and hired a nanny 5 days a week from 8-4. Otherwise would have been impossible (at the time we lived far from family).
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- watwut 4y agoI have colleagues like that. When we had kids, I started to feel sorry for their wifes and realized how egoistical those guys are.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoTry not to judge, you don't know their circumstances. Some may have medical, family, or cultural challenges ("Homeschool is only way! Daycare is the devil!") that make time at home stressful.
- watwut 4y ago> "Homeschool is only way! Daycare is the devil!" If they have either of those "cultural challenges", then they are literally dropping even more work and isolation on their wifes. That is why it is egoism. Because when they do this, their partner has no choice but to do it all. And the partner is getting no break. I do knows guys like that. They walk around happy. Their wife's walk around stressed, tired, loosing themselves while talking about how much their husbands need to work. While I know they slack around in work padding time cause chatting with friends is fun.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago> If they have either of those "cultural challenges", then they are literally dropping even more work and isolation on their wifes. That is why it is egoism. No, I mean the breadwinner may be stressed because their SO has such an attitude. Therefore the kids are basically always home, and no one ever gets a break. Some folks also decide to have kids and agree to parenting strategies, only later to realize they're not working. If the stay-home partner insists on "the one true way" then even counseling may not be enough. Again, the broader point is you may not have the whole picture. Try to assume good intentions, and if circumstances are undeniably out of balance look for constructive ways to help.
- ThePadawan 4y agoI was interviewing for a job in the middle and towards the end of 2020, and regardless of my chances of success or interest, I asked the interviewers how work from home had gone for them so far. I encountered this sentiment most of all - 40 year old dads who were suddenly stuck at home with the wife and kids, working from an improvised home office. When I asked about returning to the office, most of them were clearly looking forward to it, with a sentiment of "Of course working from home is less efficient and comfortable, what do you mean?". It was quite a surprise for me, who had finally gotten away from the noisy open-plan offices and meetings where everyone shouted at each other until the loudest person "won".
- Tade0 4y agoI found that most such people didn't originally plan for work from home, so their experience was predictably horrible. Also during the pandemic daycare/schools were closed, adding to the problem. Meanwhile me and other young dads who did plan for remote work have now a designated room for an office and children at daycare/kindergarten for most of the day. Until my child was old enough to attend daycare it was indeed chaos, but with just one you can get used to this. It's much like having a co-worker who likes to chat a little bit too much.
- Bouncingsoul1 4y agoI planned for this as well, 2 months before Covid happend, so a bit lucky. Anyway it works great and I don't want to go back. The thing I don't subscribe to is the "co-worker" part. you see if my child cannot attend daycare because she is sick, I cannot work full. we have an agreement at my work that in such cases we go into "50% or best effort"mode. I guess it depends on the child and maybe the job, but I cannot code/think/debug while a 4 year old wants to be entertained, also I don't want to sit her in front of a tv/mobile just to calm her down, so 50% it is
- helij 4y agoI'm 40+ year old dad as well. I don't feel stuck at home with wife and kids. I don't want to ever return to the office. I'm in managerial position and know that WFH is not any less efficient or less comfortable. I find office to have more distractions. Sentiment is shared across the team as well.
- Aeolun 4y agoCertainly. When I’m at home I sometimes cannot wait to run off to the office. The feeling is often temporary though, and by 3-4 I’m basically waiting until I can get home :)
- semireg 4y agoLife couldn’t be sweet without the sour. I like to think that work life balance like this is self reinforcing. Happy holidays!
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- serverholic 4y agoThis sentiment annoys me because this seems more like an inability to express one’s needs and communicate. And it inevitably it gives ammo to those who want to take away remote work for everyone. “See, they don’t actually want to work remotely!”
- twblalock 4y agoIf everyone behaved like that, our society wouldn't have the wealth needed to make anyone's lives comfortable and secure, except for the lives of the rich. A job that provides an income to a worker, and generates wealth for society, is not bullshit -- even if all it involves is making crappy consumer products, or working on an assembly line, or doing paperwork all day. In fact, such jobs are the reason the majority of people no longer live in 19th-century conditions -- and the lack of such jobs in regions that used to have a lot of them is a primary driver of populist politics.
- yarrowy 4y agoUniversal Basic income would solve those problems. Eventually AI and automation should perform all the mundane jobs which is a good thing but we need to provide basic sustenance for everyone.
- scoot 4y agoA world where the only thing that people contribute is more people.
- gabaix 4y agoWe can do much better in automation. Entrepreneurs I know are reluctant to hire because it does not scale. Yet they do hire, slowly and surely. They need these jobs, as they cannot grow without it. Similarly they complain about the lack of talent. Most of the people they value do not want the regular job that they offer. They need the people who want the regular jobs. I am sure this will change. Yet today it is the reality.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago> Similarly they complain about the lack of talent. ...of people I want to have around me... It's been my experience that "cultural fit" has been a much more important coefficient, than "talent." In my case, it's a bit of sour grapes, and I'll be the first to admit it. I have the talent and experience to pretty much singlehandedly "make" a smallish startup (I'm doing exactly that, right now, but for a nonprofit, for free), but found that my gray hair terrified prospective employers so much, that they ran screaming. There's plenty of talent out there, but it may come with things like self-assurance, confidence, and an unwillingness to put up with childish BS, or be a galley slave.
- nickpp 4y agoDo you know what families need? Food, clothes, heating and cooling, medicine, technology, mobility, various forms of entertainment and so on. Do you know how you make those? Mostly with those "bullshit" corporate jobs.
- blub 4y agoCorporations typically provide actual value. Think machinery, chemicals, food production, etc. It’s the bullshit software startup jobs that typically serve no purpose besides shuffling investor money from one place to another. Yes dear reader, that’s probably you.
- odiroot 4y agoCitation needed. Not everyone finds happiness in a life that you describe.
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- Aperocky 4y agoThese two things are not mutually exclusive.