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The people behind these efforts exploit the basic agreeableness, tolerance, and good nature of students everywhere. What I see on the other side of the 90's was
by motohagiography 4y ago
The people behind these efforts exploit the basic agreeableness, tolerance, and good nature of students everywhere. What I see on the other side of the 90's was that behind almost every "transgressive, alternative" culture participant was an authoritian personality expressed as punk resentment. None of them cared about the oppressed, it's just a means to an end where they elevate themselves through criticism using the oppressed as examples and a front for their own more petty grievences.
Things like green hair and other alternative culture tropes used to signal an anti-authoritarian attitude, but now it signals a hyper authoritarian one using rote criticisms to target anything simple enough that others just enjoy, and which others won't match the irrational aggression being used against them to defend their simple enjoyment of it, and in yielding, it just empowers these bullies.
We need to stop believing and listening to histrionic authoritarian personalities. It was a mistake, and they systematically abuse the very tolerance that characterizes western culture with a simple escalating bullying technique of, "oh, so you say you are tolerant, do you tolerate this moral abomination? No? Well then you are intolerant and if you don't denounce your own dispicable intolerance hard enough, then surely you are a collaborator! Pay me off and I won't tell the world what a disgusting person you are!"
Stanford (and other universities) got hustled by the oldest hustle since street corners were invented, and they're both too naive to figure it out, and too conceited to admit they have been taken by less intelligent but galactically more street smart people they thought they could just be nice to and help. Stanford doesn't hate fun, it just has a terminal ideological cancer.
- _ea1k 4y ago> It was a mistake, and they systematically abuse the very tolerance that characterizes western culture with a simple escalating bullying technique of, [...] This is what has been bothering me about the modern idea of tolerance. "We'll tolerate anything but intolerance" seems to transition to simple bullying far too often.
- poszlem 4y agoNot to mention the fact that the paradox of tolerance was in fact a PARADOX. Most people quoting Popper online to promote censorship forgets that part. It is important to remember that a paradox does not have a straightforward solution. And if the solution exists it is likely about allowing more speech not less.
- at_a_remove 4y agoAs something parallel, I was talking online to someone about various patches I was considering adding to various "going out" jackets. I was explicitly warned to add at least two (2) different antifa patches, lest I be taken for a Nazi and beaten up. The conversation got weird at that point and I realized that I was being told to have something uniform added and give symbolic compliance or I would be physically abused ... by people who thought they were against fascism.
- poszlem 4y agoYou witnessed something that is sometimes called the "Havel's greengrocer". > Havel uses the example of a greengrocer who displays in his shop the sign Workers of the world, unite! Since failure to display the sign could be seen as disloyalty, he displays it and the sign becomes not a symbol of his enthusiasm for the regime, but a symbol of both his submission to it and humiliation by it. Havel returns repeatedly to this motif to show the contradictions between the "intentions of life" and the "intentions of systems", i.e. between the individual and the state, in a totalitarian society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless#Havel's_greengrocer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless#Hav... If you'll ever hear people comparing modern "woke" movements to the communists of the past (especially Mao's Red Guards) , those similarities are precisely why.
- andrekandre 4y ago> Havel uses the example of a greengrocer who displays in his shop the sign Workers of the world, unite! Since failure to display the sign could be seen as disloyalty it reminds me of news anchors complaining about a politicians flag pin being on the wrong side (showing disloyalty) or lack of cristmas decorations/saying "happy holidays" as being anti-religion... then you have everyone being hyper worried about completely trivial things.... or is that a different phenomenon?
- vkou 4y ago> The people behind these efforts exploit the basic agreeableness, tolerance, and good nature of students everywhere. Have you ever been a student? Because agreeableness with arbitrary, stupid rules isn't ever a trait I'd universally prescribe to them. Pushing back on them seems way more common than quiet agreeableness. It's a bit ironic that you're infantilizing said students, in order to critique a policy that... Infantilizes them.
- tmn 4y agoIt seems to be a trait among students attending elite institutions in my experience. Less so among your average student in America
- freejazz 4y ago>Things like green hair and other alternative culture tropes used to signal an anti-authoritarian attitude, but now it signals a hyper authoritarian one using rote criticisms to target anything simple enough that others just enjoy, and which others won't match the irrational aggression being used against them to defend their simple enjoyment of it, and in yielding, it just empowers these bullies. Says the guy describing everyone with green hair
- OrangeMusic 4y ago?
- freejazz 4y agoYou don't see how stereotyping everyone with green hair is pretty much the same thing the poster is accusing "green haired people" of doing?