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Yeah, the biggest thing EV proponents seem to miss is that you don't need to force it to be 100% for everyone. Confine any mandates to urban centers where it m

Yeah, the biggest thing EV proponents seem to miss is that you don't need to force it to be 100% for everyone. Confine any mandates to urban centers where it makes sense, you can get buy in from everyone and solve 95% of the problem. At that point there will be lower hanging fruits than the last 5% or w/e.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago
Chargers are a problem for apartments in urban centers though.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  It’s not a technical problem, it’s just an effort and cost thing. As soon as people start demanding it, the problem will be solved pretty quick. I’ve seen new developments advertising electric car chargers already.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  People in apartments must be parking their cars somewhere. You just need to put chargers wherever people are already parking their cars.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    It can't "just" put for mechanical parking system.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      > mechanical parking system Are those common? I know they exist, but I thought they were unusual. I've certainly never seen an actual one.
      - fomine3 4y ago
        It's common here in Japan city area, since street parking is not allowed
Swenrekcah 4y ago
I fully agree that not everyone needs to get an EV, there will be edge cases where it won’t be feasible. Luckily for those people they will have millions of older ICE cars to choose from.
- kalleboo 4y ago
  Also all the "no more ICE by 2030" mandates I've seen allow plug-in hybrids which solves the biggest complaint people have (range)
Dylan16807 4y ago
You think it's the proponents that miss that it doesn't need to be 100%? The arguments I see that act like it has to be 100% EVs are basically all anti-EV arguments.
- fwungy 4y ago
  States are mandating no ICE sales by 2035. That is why people are becoming anti-EV. No one would care about EV policy if it wasnt being forced on an insane schedule.
  - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
    No new car sales, and PHEVs are included which should solve edge cases. That's very different than all cars. Also, most of CA doesn't get cold enough that any of this discussion is relevant.
    - tomjakubowski 4y ago
      PHEVs really seem like the best of both worlds. What's the downside?
      - nottorp 4y ago
        Costs. Complexity. You have a large battery, a gasoline engine with a transmission and 2+ electric engines in a PHEV. And they all need maintenance in the long run. This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        > This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet. If it's cheaper then they'll do it. More generally, you can remove a chunk of the transmission in a hybrid and use a simpler engine even if it's not a generator. The complexity isn't a big deal. And the moderate cost gets offset by significant fuel savings.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago

Chargers are a problem for apartments in urban centers though.

Gigachad 4y ago
It’s not a technical problem, it’s just an effort and cost thing. As soon as people start demanding it, the problem will be solved pretty quick. I’ve seen new developments advertising electric car chargers already.
nicoburns 4y ago
People in apartments must be parking their cars somewhere. You just need to put chargers wherever people are already parking their cars.
- fomine3 4y ago
  It can't "just" put for mechanical parking system.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    > mechanical parking system Are those common? I know they exist, but I thought they were unusual. I've certainly never seen an actual one.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      It's common here in Japan city area, since street parking is not allowed

Swenrekcah 4y ago

I fully agree that not everyone needs to get an EV, there will be edge cases where it won’t be feasible. Luckily for those people they will have millions of older ICE cars to choose from.

kalleboo 4y ago
Also all the "no more ICE by 2030" mandates I've seen allow plug-in hybrids which solves the biggest complaint people have (range)

Dylan16807 4y ago

You think it's the proponents that miss that it doesn't need to be 100%? The arguments I see that act like it has to be 100% EVs are basically all anti-EV arguments.

fwungy 4y ago
States are mandating no ICE sales by 2035. That is why people are becoming anti-EV. No one would care about EV policy if it wasnt being forced on an insane schedule.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  No new car sales, and PHEVs are included which should solve edge cases. That's very different than all cars. Also, most of CA doesn't get cold enough that any of this discussion is relevant.
  - tomjakubowski 4y ago
    PHEVs really seem like the best of both worlds. What's the downside?
    - nottorp 4y ago
      Costs. Complexity. You have a large battery, a gasoline engine with a transmission and 2+ electric engines in a PHEV. And they all need maintenance in the long run. This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        > This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet. If it's cheaper then they'll do it. More generally, you can remove a chunk of the transmission in a hybrid and use a simpler engine even if it's not a generator. The complexity isn't a big deal. And the moderate cost gets offset by significant fuel savings.