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Bootstrap 5.3.0-Alpha1

73 points by mvac 4y ago

baggy_trough 4y ago
I was hoping Bootstrap would continue despite Twitter convulsions.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  Bootstrap has had nothing to do with twitter for a very long time.
  - pests 4y ago
    This is the first I've even realized they were linked.
Alex3917 4y ago
For those considering switching from Bootstrap to Material or Tailwind or whatever, fwiw PurgeCSS does a really good job slimming down the bootstrap CSS. That, combined with the fact that Angular with standalone components now properly tree shakes the javascript, means that Bootstrap is likely back to being the most performant CSS framework.
- miiiiiike 4y ago
  I was shocked by how buggy Angular Material is. Some of the CDK stuff is nice but Angular Material, until very recently, deviated from all versions of the Material spec and was just full of issues. I'm looking at you popover. I'm using Bootstrap 5.x with a Material 3-ish component styles for my current project.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    Thats shocking considering Google created both Angular and Material UI.
    - miiiiiike 4y ago
      Yes, yes it is. React devs have a much better Material library.
  - EMM_386 4y ago
    > I was shocked by how buggy Angular Material is. That's why I chose to go with PrimeNG for our project, which has turned out great.
  - Frotag 4y ago
    Some common Angular Material gotchas may include... - Checkbox text doesn't wrap - There isn't a datetime picker (only date) - Styling library components / child components is a pain in the ass. Their escape hatch for this (ng-deep) has been deprecated for years without a replacement.
varispeed 4y ago
I think I stopped following Bootstrap since they released 4.0. I have a feeling that they just tinker around the edges while creating breaking changes so that you can't upgrade your project without doing massive amount of work. That being said I have a couple of projects running on now you could say ancient version of Bootstrap and they are doing fine. Maybe they could get my interest if they could explain in simple terms why are they doing all those changes? Otherwise it does not make sense. How 5.3.0 is better than 3.0? What does it solve in a better way? I opened some help pages and it seems like an overcomplicated mess. Almost like studying for PhD to create a basic page. Why?
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > I have a feeling that they just tinker… Totally! First, they took the easy way out with a complete rewrite for Bootstrap 4. "With Bootstrap 4, we once again rewrote the project to account for two key architectural changes: a migration to Sass and the move to CSS’s flexbox. Our intention is to help in a small way to move the web development community forward by pushing for newer CSS properties, fewer dependencies, and new technologies across more modern browsers." For Bootstrap 5, they didn't even do that much — just new and updated components (including checks and radios), new and updated utilities, significantly-enhanced forms support, RTL support, improvements to the grid system, and more. https://blog.getbootstrap.com/2021/05/05/bootstrap-5/ https://blog.getbootstrap.com/2021/05/05/bootstrap-5/
  - varispeed 4y ago
    They could have done it without completely changing the "API".
- fbdab103 4y ago
  I still remember the historical hoopla on major versions. The choice quote below was on their page when the team announced that all v3 development was stopping so they could focus on the alpha v4. Relevant Reddit thread[0]. Supporting When we shipped Bootstrap 3, we immediately discontinued all support for v2.x, causing a lot of pain for all our users out there. That was a mistake we won’t be making again. For the foreseeable future, we’ll be maintaining Bootstrap 3 with critical bug fixes and documentation improvements. v3 docs will also continue to be hosted after v4’s final release. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/51cfo4/bootstrap_v3_is_no_longer_maintained/ https://old.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/51cfo4/bootstra...
pcurve 4y ago
I personally love the fact that BS is being developed actively. I invested a lot of time learning all the scss and mixin files intimately and always appreciated how the team structured them such that it strikes the right balance between turn-key vs customization.
gw67 4y ago
I stopped using Bootstrap and switched to Tailwind CSS. As a backend developer I am now able to develop a better UI without relying only on themes
- mkoryak 4y ago
  I stopped using sql and switched to mongodb. As a frontend developer I am now able to develop a better database without relying on schemas
  - ms7892 4y ago
    Good one
  - jason2323 4y ago
    And that’s a valid choice if that helps get your app up and running! I think the goal of the parent comment was to establish how making complex technologies simpler helps us deliver more
butz 4y ago
Is there any similar CSS framework like Bootstrap, but more oriented to corporate/business use, where complicated data tables are bigger requirement than components to build a landing page?

73 points by mvac 4y ago

baggy_trough 4y ago

I was hoping Bootstrap would continue despite Twitter convulsions.

madeofpalk 4y ago
Bootstrap has had nothing to do with twitter for a very long time.
- pests 4y ago
  This is the first I've even realized they were linked.

Alex3917 4y ago

For those considering switching from Bootstrap to Material or Tailwind or whatever, fwiw PurgeCSS does a really good job slimming down the bootstrap CSS. That, combined with the fact that Angular with standalone components now properly tree shakes the javascript, means that Bootstrap is likely back to being the most performant CSS framework.

miiiiiike 4y ago
I was shocked by how buggy Angular Material is. Some of the CDK stuff is nice but Angular Material, until very recently, deviated from all versions of the Material spec and was just full of issues. I'm looking at you popover. I'm using Bootstrap 5.x with a Material 3-ish component styles for my current project.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  Thats shocking considering Google created both Angular and Material UI.
  - miiiiiike 4y ago
    Yes, yes it is. React devs have a much better Material library.
- EMM_386 4y ago
  > I was shocked by how buggy Angular Material is. That's why I chose to go with PrimeNG for our project, which has turned out great.
- Frotag 4y ago
  Some common Angular Material gotchas may include... - Checkbox text doesn't wrap - There isn't a datetime picker (only date) - Styling library components / child components is a pain in the ass. Their escape hatch for this (ng-deep) has been deprecated for years without a replacement.

varispeed 4y ago

I think I stopped following Bootstrap since they released 4.0. I have a feeling that they just tinker around the edges while creating breaking changes so that you can't upgrade your project without doing massive amount of work. That being said I have a couple of projects running on now you could say ancient version of Bootstrap and they are doing fine. Maybe they could get my interest if they could explain in simple terms why are they doing all those changes? Otherwise it does not make sense. How 5.3.0 is better than 3.0? What does it solve in a better way? I opened some help pages and it seems like an overcomplicated mess. Almost like studying for PhD to create a basic page. Why?

CharlesW 4y ago
> I have a feeling that they just tinker… Totally! First, they took the easy way out with a complete rewrite for Bootstrap 4. "With Bootstrap 4, we once again rewrote the project to account for two key architectural changes: a migration to Sass and the move to CSS’s flexbox. Our intention is to help in a small way to move the web development community forward by pushing for newer CSS properties, fewer dependencies, and new technologies across more modern browsers." For Bootstrap 5, they didn't even do that much — just new and updated components (including checks and radios), new and updated utilities, significantly-enhanced forms support, RTL support, improvements to the grid system, and more. https://blog.getbootstrap.com/2021/05/05/bootstrap-5/ https://blog.getbootstrap.com/2021/05/05/bootstrap-5/
- varispeed 4y ago
  They could have done it without completely changing the "API".
fbdab103 4y ago
I still remember the historical hoopla on major versions. The choice quote below was on their page when the team announced that all v3 development was stopping so they could focus on the alpha v4. Relevant Reddit thread[0]. Supporting When we shipped Bootstrap 3, we immediately discontinued all support for v2.x, causing a lot of pain for all our users out there. That was a mistake we won’t be making again. For the foreseeable future, we’ll be maintaining Bootstrap 3 with critical bug fixes and documentation improvements. v3 docs will also continue to be hosted after v4’s final release. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/51cfo4/bootstrap_v3_is_no_longer_maintained/ https://old.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/51cfo4/bootstra...

pcurve 4y ago

I personally love the fact that BS is being developed actively. I invested a lot of time learning all the scss and mixin files intimately and always appreciated how the team structured them such that it strikes the right balance between turn-key vs customization.

gw67 4y ago

I stopped using Bootstrap and switched to Tailwind CSS. As a backend developer I am now able to develop a better UI without relying only on themes

mkoryak 4y ago
I stopped using sql and switched to mongodb. As a frontend developer I am now able to develop a better database without relying on schemas
- ms7892 4y ago
  Good one
- jason2323 4y ago
  And that’s a valid choice if that helps get your app up and running! I think the goal of the parent comment was to establish how making complex technologies simpler helps us deliver more

butz 4y ago

Is there any similar CSS framework like Bootstrap, but more oriented to corporate/business use, where complicated data tables are bigger requirement than components to build a landing page?