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"Target behavior instead of apps" seems like such a massive regulatory hurdle that it's meaningless. How would you even write such a sweeping law and get it pas

"Target behavior instead of apps" seems like such a massive regulatory hurdle that it's meaningless. How would you even write such a sweeping law and get it passed? How long would it take? I think this crowd knows it's impossible so they get to sound smart while nothing changes the status quo and TikTok still avoids a ban.

dmix 4y ago
Having an ocean of interpretation in between reality<->process won’t necessarily stop a proposed set of laws from becoming policy. Unless, you know, there’s time to consider such factors. When it fails you just say it wasn’t interpreted properly and what’s important is that it was well intentioned. “There was [bad guy] or [bad thing] so we didn’t have time to figure out the details” (repackage and repeat x1000). 4K page mega bills have zero incentives not to do this as often as possible. And you can be sure Reddit/Twitter/media will be full of cheerleaders in the early days defending it and those challenging it can be called out as mere supporters of [bad guy/bad thing] acting in bad faith. It’s almost a perfect recipe.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
So you're saying it's impossible to define what TikTok is doing wrong? Why does TikTok deserve a ban but not other major suppliers of short-form video that are tracking their users, etc. It sounds like you want to do away with rule of law and just have politicians ban apps they don't like? It seems either it is too hard to differentiate what TikTok are doing wrong from what the other companies are doing wrong, or it's inconsistent treatment? ISPs already gather a ton of information it would be nice if they used it to help us (would require legislation). For example it should be easy to get a report from my ISP "top ten entities to which I uploaded data this month". I should be able to clock through and see how much data, what days and times, the company who control the domains in use -- for example from pihole use I know MS get a deluge of data from my home. With that information a user should then be able to privately compare it with a log from their phone and, 'hey look, whenever I have GPS on Facebook receives data' or 'whenever I use $app my uploads go up, but it doesn't need any uploads to work'. That data then socials be used to prosecute GDPR breaches (it seems it could almost be entirely automated).
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  Negative. The common refrain is to ban all data collection through regulation. TikToks differentiator is they are an extension of the Chinese Communist Party. Banning all data collection would devastate multiple US megacorps. I wish that were possible but it's not practical.
  - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
    Are they an extension of the CCP in a different way to Microsoft, or Facebook, or whoever, being an extension of the USA government (eg under national security letters)?

dmix 4y ago

Having an ocean of interpretation in between reality<->process won’t necessarily stop a proposed set of laws from becoming policy. Unless, you know, there’s time to consider such factors. When it fails you just say it wasn’t interpreted properly and what’s important is that it was well intentioned. “There was [bad guy] or [bad thing] so we didn’t have time to figure out the details” (repackage and repeat x1000). 4K page mega bills have zero incentives not to do this as often as possible. And you can be sure Reddit/Twitter/media will be full of cheerleaders in the early days defending it and those challenging it can be called out as mere supporters of [bad guy/bad thing] acting in bad faith. It’s almost a perfect recipe.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

So you're saying it's impossible to define what TikTok is doing wrong? Why does TikTok deserve a ban but not other major suppliers of short-form video that are tracking their users, etc. It sounds like you want to do away with rule of law and just have politicians ban apps they don't like? It seems either it is too hard to differentiate what TikTok are doing wrong from what the other companies are doing wrong, or it's inconsistent treatment? ISPs already gather a ton of information it would be nice if they used it to help us (would require legislation). For example it should be easy to get a report from my ISP "top ten entities to which I uploaded data this month". I should be able to clock through and see how much data, what days and times, the company who control the domains in use -- for example from pihole use I know MS get a deluge of data from my home. With that information a user should then be able to privately compare it with a log from their phone and, 'hey look, whenever I have GPS on Facebook receives data' or 'whenever I use $app my uploads go up, but it doesn't need any uploads to work'. That data then socials be used to prosecute GDPR breaches (it seems it could almost be entirely automated).

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Negative. The common refrain is to ban all data collection through regulation. TikToks differentiator is they are an extension of the Chinese Communist Party. Banning all data collection would devastate multiple US megacorps. I wish that were possible but it's not practical.
- pbhjpbhj 4y ago
  Are they an extension of the CCP in a different way to Microsoft, or Facebook, or whoever, being an extension of the USA government (eg under national security letters)?