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How many of those are building charger networks?

by snovv_crash 4y ago

Ekaros 4y ago
As many as have build their own petrol station network.
- snovv_crash 4y ago
  Someone needed to bootstrap the charging infrastructure. At some point it will be a commodity and at that point Tesla is 'just' sitting on a big asset.
WeylandYutani 4y ago
Irrelevant the EU in their benevolent wisdom has mandated that charging networks have to be interoperable. You can use Tesla superchargers for your 20k Kia economy box.
- snovv_crash 4y ago
  This is great for consumers with the assumption that Tesla will still find it profitable to build out the infrastructure at all. On the other hand, Europe is a lot smaller, so maybe it doesn't matter as much.
  - WeylandYutani 4y ago
    My own country has several charging networks and Tesla isn't even the biggest. I imagine Tesla owners want to use other networks as well. I wouldn't want to buy a car that only refuels at Texaco.
  - oblio 4y ago
    https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status And that's just 35k out of 375k. The US is at about 150k.
clouddrover 4y ago
Europe's charging infrastructure is more developed than North America's. Because Europe adopted CCS Type 2 Combo as the common charging standard many companies can build out chargers: - Ionity which has investments from auto makers: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are - Circle K: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro - GridServe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY - FastNed: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/ https://fastnedcharging.com/en/ - BP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSRn6hYOwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSRn6hYOwc - Shell: https://shellrecharge.com/en-gb/public-charging https://shellrecharge.com/en-gb/public-charging - McDonald's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXo8TuvqQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXo8TuvqQI https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/newsroom/article/ev_rollout.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/newsroom/article/ev_rollo... - EnBW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpbtgfqrYdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpbtgfqrYdA https://www.enbw.com/company/the-group/electric-mobility/ https://www.enbw.com/company/the-group/electric-mobility/ And so on and so forth. Europe is just a bigger EV market than North America is right now.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  In the USA, everyone else but Tesla is doing CCS (they might also do whatever the leaf wants also, but usually with CCS). The problem is that Tesla has as much charging infrastructure as everyone else combined (and perhaps even more), especially out west where charging infrastructure is weaker due to less population density.

How many of those are building charger networks?

Ekaros 4y ago

As many as have build their own petrol station network.

snovv_crash 4y ago
Someone needed to bootstrap the charging infrastructure. At some point it will be a commodity and at that point Tesla is 'just' sitting on a big asset.

WeylandYutani 4y ago

Irrelevant the EU in their benevolent wisdom has mandated that charging networks have to be interoperable. You can use Tesla superchargers for your 20k Kia economy box.

snovv_crash 4y ago
This is great for consumers with the assumption that Tesla will still find it profitable to build out the infrastructure at all. On the other hand, Europe is a lot smaller, so maybe it doesn't matter as much.
- WeylandYutani 4y ago
  My own country has several charging networks and Tesla isn't even the biggest. I imagine Tesla owners want to use other networks as well. I wouldn't want to buy a car that only refuels at Texaco.
- oblio 4y ago
  https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status And that's just 35k out of 375k. The US is at about 150k.

clouddrover 4y ago

Europe's charging infrastructure is more developed than North America's. Because Europe adopted CCS Type 2 Combo as the common charging standard many companies can build out chargers: - Ionity which has investments from auto makers: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are - Circle K: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro - GridServe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY - FastNed: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/ https://fastnedcharging.com/en/ - BP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSRn6hYOwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSRn6hYOwc - Shell: https://shellrecharge.com/en-gb/public-charging https://shellrecharge.com/en-gb/public-charging - McDonald's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXo8TuvqQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXo8TuvqQI https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/newsroom/article/ev_rollout.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/newsroom/article/ev_rollo... - EnBW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpbtgfqrYdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpbtgfqrYdA https://www.enbw.com/company/the-group/electric-mobility/ https://www.enbw.com/company/the-group/electric-mobility/ And so on and so forth. Europe is just a bigger EV market than North America is right now.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
In the USA, everyone else but Tesla is doing CCS (they might also do whatever the leaf wants also, but usually with CCS). The problem is that Tesla has as much charging infrastructure as everyone else combined (and perhaps even more), especially out west where charging infrastructure is weaker due to less population density.