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Nah. I know some real garbage people who seem to be immune to Karma. No bad ever comes their way. And some wonderful people who seem to attract all the Karma
by RajT88 4y ago
Nah. I know some real garbage people who seem to be immune to Karma. No bad ever comes their way.
And some wonderful people who seem to attract all the Karma which slid right off the garbage people.
The world is unfair, and the universe doesn't care. Morality is emergent from consciousness; in a time before our big thinky brains had evolved, there was no such thing as bad and good.
Evidence: How many, many animals live and thrive is deeply immoral by human standards. With few exceptions, pick just about any horror movie and I can show you an animal who exhibits those behaviors in its normal life.
- paulpauper 4y agoKarma is just confirmation bias
- anonporridge 4y agoKarma is a psyop perpetuated by people with power to keep that masses passive, because they think the universe will do the job of dealing out justice for them. Ditto belief in a god that judges and punishes the wicked in the afterlife.
- flashgordon 4y agoI agree with karma and deservedness not being aligned but I am pretty sure an animal doing what it is doing is limited by the need to hunt and feed rather than to subjugate and be sadistic?
- AlexandrB 4y agoNot for more intelligent animals. Consider the footage of killer whales "playing with their food" from Blue Planet.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y agoClearly you do not own cats.
- gpderetta 4y agoAre you talking those cute furry four legged sadistic serial killers?
- flashgordon 4y agoHot damn I don't. I always thought I'd be a cat person but sounds like I need to revisit my choices!
- nradov 4y agoI have seen California sea lions killing ocean sunfish (mola molas) in a way that appears to be sadistic, or at least just for sport. The sea lions bite the fishes' fins off without eating them, then play with the crippled bodies like living frisbees. After a while the sea lions get bored and let the fish sink to the seafloor where they're eaten alive by crabs. Nature, red in tooth and claw.
- maria2 4y agoIs that a form of sadism? Perhaps the sea lion is unable to conceive of the suffering of the fish. To the sea lion, the fish is merely an object. Playing with the fish is no different than playing with a rock to the sea lion.
- layer8 4y agoSounds very similar to a psychopath incapable of empathy.
- fluoridation 4y agoLack of empathy is the norm in nature, not the exception. A species of predator that could empathize with its prey would starve to death.
- layer8 4y agoYeah, my point was that the GP probably wouldn't view a psychopath as innocent as a sea lion, hence there would seem to be a double standard.
- dinosaurdynasty 4y agoDoes that matter for the fish?
- vlunkr 4y agoNo, but that's not the question being discussed.
- prox 4y agoWhile the universe might not care, people can. Will you? In many situations you have the choice to help or to be the one that choses selfishness. To bridge a divide or not.
- RajT88 4y agoI can, and do, and people should. You have missed the point of my post if you're replying like this.
- lazyeye 4y agoYes the majority of animals die a violent death. If they manage to survive long enough, they get too old to escape a predator.
- jondeval 4y ago> Evidence: How many, many animals live and thrive is deeply immoral by human standards. The fact that non-human animals live an existence of violent survival does not seem to be prima facie evidence for the nonexistence or incoherence of human morality. Human beings are rational animals. The term rational here is being used in a specific and technical sense. Non-human animals are subject to the laws of nature in a manner that acts more directly on their passions. Human beings are also subject to the laws of nature, but the forces of nature are mediated by our rationality. Animal Act: (1) Offspring are hungry (2) brings food to offspring Human Act: (1) Offspring are hungry (2) Reflects and Decides to provide food (3) brings food to offspring An act is deemed immoral if it is a misuse of the rational faculty for ends that are not in conformity with the laws of nature. Human Act (immoral): (1) Offspring are hungry (2) Reflects and Decides not to provide food for selfish reasons (3) offspring go hungry Animals suffer but they are not moral agents like human beings since there is no mediating rationality that can be misused for ends that are not in conformity with nature's laws. The phrase Nature's Laws is being used broadly to include physical, biological or evolved social laws intertwined with the essential characteristics of the species.
- RajT88 4y ago> The fact that non-human animals live an existence of violent survival does not seem to be prima facie evidence for the nonexistence or incoherence of human morality. You missed the point. Morality is a human invention, much like computers are (albeit philosophical, not physical in nature). Like computers, it didn't exist before consciousness evolved. Talking about morality as a universal truth, and there being some invisible scales of justice which will eventually even out is thusly irrational.
- jondeval 4y agoApologies if I'm missing the main point. I certainly agree that consciousness + rational choosing must be a prerequisite for moral acts. But I wouldn't concede that morality is a human invention like the computer. That would imply that it's accidental and not grounded in anything fundamental to our species or nature's laws. Do you believe that choosing to feed your kids, or choosing to not kill someone are simply created constructs like the computer or the airplane? Also, I think these two statements can be true at the same time: (1) The Moral Law is real and exists outside of our subjective experience and historical cultural evolution and (2) concepts like Karma are without evidence.
- unity1001 4y ago> With few exceptions, pick just about any horror movie and I can show you an animal who exhibits those behaviors in its normal life. But in the end, the animals that thrive end up being the ones that cooperate both within their species and with other species. From humans to symbiotic bacteria and jellyfish...