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Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while

Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while. We don't need to fight about it and discredit it. Apple names are fun! It's a nice thing!

apetrovic 4y ago
At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.
- saagarjha 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595
  - andai 4y ago
    This is poetry!
- gtirloni 4y ago
  Same for every other topic, really. It's not like the HN crowd is homogeneous (you can add 'HN is not homogeneous' to the bingo card for HN-meta threads).
- rsrx 4y ago
  Add crypto to that list too.
  - brk 4y ago
    That will change with the upcoming Apple iCrypto Wallet Pro, and iCrypto Wallet Air releases.
als0 4y ago
What's fun about SE, XR and XDR?
- plufz 4y ago
  I don’t think anyone has said that Apple never used bad names…? But I don’t think it is radical to say (atleast among us who works with branding) that ipod, mac, powerbook, macbook, itunes, airpods, etc. are strong names.
  - oblio 4y ago
    Frankly all the i-devices are just bad naming. The products themselves were/are great but their names are really bad. "I phone" kind of works, but "I pod"? "I pad"? Really? :-)
    - thiht 4y ago
      Yes.
    - kesava 4y ago
      iPhone followed the name iPod. I actually think iPad is great.
      - kergonath 4y ago
        All of them, of course, followed the iMac. The iPod was an extension of that, so the name makes perfect sense. The iPhone is an iPod on steroids (and it’s a web browser!), so again it makes sense. It is all very consistent. I really dislike the pro/max/ultra qualifiers, but again it is all consistent.
    - nequo 4y ago
      “iPad” is short and unique. Easy to remember, to say, and to search for. Compare it with the discontinued “Galaxy Note.” Although it is not a tongue twister, it is two words, neither of which is unique to Samsung on its own. “Galaxy Tab” has the same issues. Samsung’s product names are not bad. But “iPad” definitely has the advantage of pithiness and uniqueness.
amelius 4y ago
> Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Really, what is there to be joyful about here? I can write a similar essay about how I like the strong capital letters of AMD, the beauty of not falling for the temptation of putting a lower-case "i" in front of it, etc., etc.
- alexcosan 4y ago
  It's not really up to you to decide what brings joy to the author. You can write a similar essay, who said you couldn't? What point are you trying to make? If it's something you feel strong about, all power to you. This kind of comment is deprived of any real content.
  - amelius 4y ago
    The point is that some things are better kept to yourself, and if you don't then you might annoy other people.
    - alexcosan 4y ago
      This is deviating too much from the original topic, but: 1) Your initial comment just took a bash at the author about being joyful regarding some topic - "what's there to be joyful", which is really a subjective matter; 2) I'll take your point, but I strongly disagree. I would never recommend anyone living by "do not share, you might annoy other people", you will never share anything then. Case in point, you shared your thoughts, I'm pretty sure you didn't care whether someone would be annoyed by your opinion ;) 3) Not sharing a small analysis regarding words and naming just because it may annoy someone it's a huge stretch. It's not even like he's sharing some hot political topic. Someone that gets annoyed at looking at such a simple project may want to take a deep breath and go for a walk. But anyway, that's my view.
- kergonath 4y ago
  > I can write a similar essay about how I like the strong capital letters of AMD You could. And it might be an enjoyable read if you articulate it properly.
Jataman606 4y ago
> Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Is it so hard to just let someone complain about something? Everyone can have their own opinion, i don't know why some people want every single one to be positive.
- Veen 4y ago
  There's a difference between critiquing an opinion and being a rude asshole. The "typical fanboi stuff" commentor was being a rude asshole.
  - tacker2000 4y ago
    How is the word “fanboi” rude? And how does your ad hominem “rude asshole” in any way balance this? Please enlighten me.
    - Veen 4y ago
      > Please enlighten me. For the purposes of enlightenment: Your comment is typical nerd stuff. You’re biased by your failure to understand how human communications and social interactions work.
- kergonath 4y ago
  > Is it so hard to just let someone complain about something? Contrarian edgelords are obnoxious and tiring. There is no need to get involved in a conversation if the point is just to label someone an idiot fanboy. It is not even cynicism, which requires some degree of consciousness instead of a knee jerk reaction. So yeah, if your only argument is “I think the author is an idiot and I am so much better because I can see clearly what he ignores”, well, then kindly fuck off. Come back when you’re civilised enough to have a conversation instead of name calling.

apetrovic 4y ago

At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.

saagarjha 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595
- andai 4y ago
  This is poetry!
gtirloni 4y ago
Same for every other topic, really. It's not like the HN crowd is homogeneous (you can add 'HN is not homogeneous' to the bingo card for HN-meta threads).
rsrx 4y ago
Add crypto to that list too.
- brk 4y ago
  That will change with the upcoming Apple iCrypto Wallet Pro, and iCrypto Wallet Air releases.

als0 4y ago

What's fun about SE, XR and XDR?

plufz 4y ago
I don’t think anyone has said that Apple never used bad names…? But I don’t think it is radical to say (atleast among us who works with branding) that ipod, mac, powerbook, macbook, itunes, airpods, etc. are strong names.
- oblio 4y ago
  Frankly all the i-devices are just bad naming. The products themselves were/are great but their names are really bad. "I phone" kind of works, but "I pod"? "I pad"? Really? :-)
  - thiht 4y ago
    Yes.
  - kesava 4y ago
    iPhone followed the name iPod. I actually think iPad is great.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      All of them, of course, followed the iMac. The iPod was an extension of that, so the name makes perfect sense. The iPhone is an iPod on steroids (and it’s a web browser!), so again it makes sense. It is all very consistent. I really dislike the pro/max/ultra qualifiers, but again it is all consistent.
  - nequo 4y ago
    “iPad” is short and unique. Easy to remember, to say, and to search for. Compare it with the discontinued “Galaxy Note.” Although it is not a tongue twister, it is two words, neither of which is unique to Samsung on its own. “Galaxy Tab” has the same issues. Samsung’s product names are not bad. But “iPad” definitely has the advantage of pithiness and uniqueness.

amelius 4y ago

> Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Really, what is there to be joyful about here? I can write a similar essay about how I like the strong capital letters of AMD, the beauty of not falling for the temptation of putting a lower-case "i" in front of it, etc., etc.

alexcosan 4y ago
It's not really up to you to decide what brings joy to the author. You can write a similar essay, who said you couldn't? What point are you trying to make? If it's something you feel strong about, all power to you. This kind of comment is deprived of any real content.
- amelius 4y ago
  The point is that some things are better kept to yourself, and if you don't then you might annoy other people.
  - alexcosan 4y ago
    This is deviating too much from the original topic, but: 1) Your initial comment just took a bash at the author about being joyful regarding some topic - "what's there to be joyful", which is really a subjective matter; 2) I'll take your point, but I strongly disagree. I would never recommend anyone living by "do not share, you might annoy other people", you will never share anything then. Case in point, you shared your thoughts, I'm pretty sure you didn't care whether someone would be annoyed by your opinion ;) 3) Not sharing a small analysis regarding words and naming just because it may annoy someone it's a huge stretch. It's not even like he's sharing some hot political topic. Someone that gets annoyed at looking at such a simple project may want to take a deep breath and go for a walk. But anyway, that's my view.
kergonath 4y ago
> I can write a similar essay about how I like the strong capital letters of AMD You could. And it might be an enjoyable read if you articulate it properly.

Jataman606 4y ago

> Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Is it so hard to just let someone complain about something? Everyone can have their own opinion, i don't know why some people want every single one to be positive.

Veen 4y ago
There's a difference between critiquing an opinion and being a rude asshole. The "typical fanboi stuff" commentor was being a rude asshole.
- tacker2000 4y ago
  How is the word “fanboi” rude? And how does your ad hominem “rude asshole” in any way balance this? Please enlighten me.
  - Veen 4y ago
    > Please enlighten me. For the purposes of enlightenment: Your comment is typical nerd stuff. You’re biased by your failure to understand how human communications and social interactions work.
kergonath 4y ago
> Is it so hard to just let someone complain about something? Contrarian edgelords are obnoxious and tiring. There is no need to get involved in a conversation if the point is just to label someone an idiot fanboy. It is not even cynicism, which requires some degree of consciousness instead of a knee jerk reaction. So yeah, if your only argument is “I think the author is an idiot and I am so much better because I can see clearly what he ignores”, well, then kindly fuck off. Come back when you’re civilised enough to have a conversation instead of name calling.