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But did Mojave come before or after Sierra? The cat names were more memorable and spanned a longer time line instead of being yearly releases.

by ralfd 4y ago

gidorah 4y ago
Yeah, but which is the better big cat? Lion? Snow Leopard? Tiger?
- ihatepython 4y ago
  Tiger
codetrotter 4y ago
> But did Mojave come before or after Sierra? Idk, but it doesn’t matter. If you need to know which version came before or after just compare the version numbers instead. The human names are not meant for that.
- ant6n 4y ago
  Yes but How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number?
  - Edd314159 4y ago
    How do you know which Windows came first: XP, ME, Vista, 98, 10? I mean even when Apple uses sequential, numerical names you can't always answer the question of which came first: the iPhone 8 and iPhone X (10) were announced ~simultaneously! And there wasn't even a 9! My point is it really doesn't matter which big cat or California landmark came first. It's trivial to find out if you want to, but it's not terribly important to encode that in the name you're using to identify your product.
    - mindracer 4y ago
      To be fair Microsoft have moved some number for the last 4 releases of Windows
    - ihatepython 4y ago
      Well, 98 is higher than 10. But perhaps they should adopt a chicken-egg naming scheme.
  - codetrotter 4y ago
    > How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number? You don't need to know that. It does not matter. These human names are for marketing. They have no significance other than that.
    - dingaling 4y ago
      > You don't need to know that. It does not matter. When a vendor says "we are dropping support for MacOS High Sierra and earlier" then it does matter. Does that include Big Sur? Catalina? Mavericks ? One has to go and look up the corresponding version numbers to determine that.
      - codetrotter 4y ago
        Every software vendor of any significant size knows to use version numbers of macOS, not just marketing names of macOS, when communicating that kind of information. Here are some random examples taken from some of the software that I use on my systems. JetBrains CLion system requirements: > macOS 10.14 or later https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/installation-guide.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/installation-guide.html System requirements for using Slack > MacOS OS X 10.15 or above https://slack.com/help/articles/115002037526-System-requirements-for-using-Slack https://slack.com/help/articles/115002037526-System-requirem... Davinci Resolve 18 Tech Specs > Mac 10.15 Catalina or later. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/techspecs/W-DRE-12 https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/tec... Mac Compatibility with Live – Live 11 – Live Universal build > Apple Silicon: macOS 11.6.6 Big Sur through macOS 13 Ventura https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-Mac-Compatibility-with-Live https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-Mac-...
        hgsgm 4y ago
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  - sbuk 4y ago
    Apple? https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201260 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201260 Wikipedia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releases https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releas...
- gregoriol 4y ago
  That is not true: when some good logic is applied to naming, human names are too in order, with the alphabetic order, so that at any time you could know what you are talking about (at least easily if it is "before" or "after" each one)
  - codetrotter 4y ago
    > when some good logic is applied to naming, human names are too in order, with the alphabetic order, so that at any time you could know what you are talking about That's just like, your opinion. Even operating systems that try to follow that idea are not fully able to do it. For example, Ubuntu has been using alphabetically ordered names ever since version 5.10, which was released in October 2005. But sooner or later they have to wrap. And they already did that once. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames So now, for someone on the outside who tries to apply this idea that names should encode release order, we still can't tell, which of the following was released first: - Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat or - Ubuntu Lunar Lobster Well, if all we know about Ubuntu is that the names are alphabetically sorted then we might think that Lunar Lobster came before Maverick Meerkat. But Ubuntu Lunar Lobster is the upcoming version 23.04. Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat was version 10.10, released all the way back in October 2010. And so my point is, if you want to compare version release dates. Just look at the version numbers. It is not sensible to claim that somehow the names have to be in alphabetical order. Do you use alphabetical order for the hostnames of your computers? Do you name your children in alphabetical order? Maybe you do. But not everyone will, and that's perfectly fine.
    - oblio 4y ago
      > But sooner or later they have to wrap. And they already did that once. Frankly, that's not a problem. They have 26 letters to go through, so that's 13 years. 13 years is a geological age in computing. By that point the previous product has been deprecated for so long it's basically a museum piece and nobody can spot it in the wild.
      - codetrotter 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
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echoer_lyrist 4y ago
10.14 came after 10.12
LanceH 4y ago
Not sure, but Mountain Lion has to be a downgrade from those other cats, right?
kergonath 4y ago
10.12 came after 10.11. Nobody having to deal with this sort of thing is confused. Using a Mac, it is easier to get the version number than the code name. This argument is most of the time, if not always, used by people with no interest in trying to understand how it works.

But did Mojave come before or after Sierra? The cat names were more memorable and spanned a longer time line instead of being yearly releases.

by ralfd 4y ago

But did Mojave come before or after Sierra? The cat names were more memorable and spanned a longer time line instead of being yearly releases.

gidorah 4y ago

Yeah, but which is the better big cat? Lion? Snow Leopard? Tiger?

ihatepython 4y ago
Tiger

codetrotter 4y ago

> But did Mojave come before or after Sierra? Idk, but it doesn’t matter. If you need to know which version came before or after just compare the version numbers instead. The human names are not meant for that.

ant6n 4y ago
Yes but How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number?
- Edd314159 4y ago
  How do you know which Windows came first: XP, ME, Vista, 98, 10? I mean even when Apple uses sequential, numerical names you can't always answer the question of which came first: the iPhone 8 and iPhone X (10) were announced ~simultaneously! And there wasn't even a 9! My point is it really doesn't matter which big cat or California landmark came first. It's trivial to find out if you want to, but it's not terribly important to encode that in the name you're using to identify your product.
  - mindracer 4y ago
    To be fair Microsoft have moved some number for the last 4 releases of Windows
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    Well, 98 is higher than 10. But perhaps they should adopt a chicken-egg naming scheme.
- codetrotter 4y ago
  > How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number? You don't need to know that. It does not matter. These human names are for marketing. They have no significance other than that.
  - dingaling 4y ago
    > You don't need to know that. It does not matter. When a vendor says "we are dropping support for MacOS High Sierra and earlier" then it does matter. Does that include Big Sur? Catalina? Mavericks ? One has to go and look up the corresponding version numbers to determine that.
    - codetrotter 4y ago
      Every software vendor of any significant size knows to use version numbers of macOS, not just marketing names of macOS, when communicating that kind of information. Here are some random examples taken from some of the software that I use on my systems. JetBrains CLion system requirements: > macOS 10.14 or later https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/installation-guide.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/installation-guide.html System requirements for using Slack > MacOS OS X 10.15 or above https://slack.com/help/articles/115002037526-System-requirements-for-using-Slack https://slack.com/help/articles/115002037526-System-requirem... Davinci Resolve 18 Tech Specs > Mac 10.15 Catalina or later. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/techspecs/W-DRE-12 https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/tec... Mac Compatibility with Live – Live 11 – Live Universal build > Apple Silicon: macOS 11.6.6 Big Sur through macOS 13 Ventura https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-Mac-Compatibility-with-Live https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-Mac-...
      - hgsgm 4y ago
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- sbuk 4y ago
  Apple? https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201260 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201260 Wikipedia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releases https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releas...
gregoriol 4y ago
That is not true: when some good logic is applied to naming, human names are too in order, with the alphabetic order, so that at any time you could know what you are talking about (at least easily if it is "before" or "after" each one)
- codetrotter 4y ago
  > when some good logic is applied to naming, human names are too in order, with the alphabetic order, so that at any time you could know what you are talking about That's just like, your opinion. Even operating systems that try to follow that idea are not fully able to do it. For example, Ubuntu has been using alphabetically ordered names ever since version 5.10, which was released in October 2005. But sooner or later they have to wrap. And they already did that once. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames So now, for someone on the outside who tries to apply this idea that names should encode release order, we still can't tell, which of the following was released first: - Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat or - Ubuntu Lunar Lobster Well, if all we know about Ubuntu is that the names are alphabetically sorted then we might think that Lunar Lobster came before Maverick Meerkat. But Ubuntu Lunar Lobster is the upcoming version 23.04. Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat was version 10.10, released all the way back in October 2010. And so my point is, if you want to compare version release dates. Just look at the version numbers. It is not sensible to claim that somehow the names have to be in alphabetical order. Do you use alphabetical order for the hostnames of your computers? Do you name your children in alphabetical order? Maybe you do. But not everyone will, and that's perfectly fine.
  - oblio 4y ago
    > But sooner or later they have to wrap. And they already did that once. Frankly, that's not a problem. They have 26 letters to go through, so that's 13 years. 13 years is a geological age in computing. By that point the previous product has been deprecated for so long it's basically a museum piece and nobody can spot it in the wild.
    - codetrotter 4y ago
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echoer_lyrist 4y ago

10.14 came after 10.12

LanceH 4y ago

Not sure, but Mountain Lion has to be a downgrade from those other cats, right?

kergonath 4y ago

10.12 came after 10.11. Nobody having to deal with this sort of thing is confused. Using a Mac, it is easier to get the version number than the code name. This argument is most of the time, if not always, used by people with no interest in trying to understand how it works.