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> Hotels have raised hourly wages by 25% since early 2020, and employers are offering greater flexibility in scheduling. Still, workers are nowhere to be seen.

by Natsu 4y ago

> Hotels have raised hourly wages by 25% since early 2020, and employers are offering greater flexibility in scheduling. Still, workers are nowhere to be seen. I dunno, my pay sure hasn't gone up by 25% in the past 2 years.

notwokeno 4y ago
Mine has gone up at a rate pretty close to that over three years. You might consider switching companies.
ninth_ant 4y ago
The rate it’s gone up is a red herring. If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. There are almost certainly miserable working conditions, bad hours, and still an overall low wage. If people are able to find better jobs, then hotels need to treat people better or pay more to offset that. Are we seriously going to cry about megacorps not getting away with paying workers trash wages for miserable jobs? Boo hoo, pay more.
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- kortilla 4y ago
  Megacorps is a red herring and emotional appeal. The same applies just as much to small businesses in the same industries.
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  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Nope. "Megacorps" have economies of scale that small businesses don't have.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      What? The topic is about the cost of labor. It’s impacting small businesses just as much.
- Natsu 4y ago
  > If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Well, that's why they're going to robots I guess. > Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. I worked a much worse factory job for years. I don't blame people for not wanting such a thing, but sometimes it isn't all about pay, either. You couldn't pay me to go back to my old job.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    They're going to "robots" called "not cleaning for 4 days."
    - Natsu 4y ago
      It's a bit of both, though it looked like the robots were roombas or something. And I think the cleaning would only matter on longer stays, since I believe they'd still have to turn over the room between guests.
- sonotathrowaway 4y ago
  It’s amazing how well conditioned people are to blame others for not being exploited. Corporations having trouble finding workers to exploit is now a moral failure of the worker for not enriching rich assholes enough.
supertrope 4y ago
Would you work for $16/hr with no health insurance? Hotels are notorious for not only not offering steady 40 hour employment but sending staff home if room count is low or calling people in with minimal notice.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  This job seems great for moms that want to work part time while their kids are in school. 11 am - 3pm.
  - enumjorge 4y ago
    If we ignore the low pay, physically demanding work, bad benefits and and unpredictable work schedule, then yeah I guess these jobs sound great for moms.
    - factsarelolz 4y ago
      Physically demanding? What's the difference between cleaning a hotel room and cleaning your house or bedroom? There's absolutely zero heavy lifting. You change the sheets, vaccuum and wipe down everything. I would option to say taking care of kids is more physically demanding than cleaning. If it's just supplementary income it wouldn't really matter about benefits as the spouse would already have benefits.
      - Mezzie 4y ago
        Zero breaks, for one. And no ability to take sick days/stop doing it if you're injured. Doing work for 1-2 hours a day or a few hours a week is very different from doing it for 20-40 hours a week. (Much like there's a difference between taking on a project or two for a small team that requires some programming and being a full time dev). Oh, and you can't sit. That's like saying anybody who mows their lawn would have no difficulty in a landscaping position. And the kid thing it strongly depends on the age and type of kid. Kids at the most physically exhausting ages also tend to take naps which gives the parent a respite. You can also trade off with the other parent/other relatives if you're tired. Can't do that with work: Your coworkers aren't going to do your job if you have an off day. The physically demanding part is in the demand for physical consistency.
Qwertious 4y ago
What was it up from? If for example they offered the US federal minimum wage in 2020, and the shift hours were unreliable and inflexible, then I could imagine even an extra 25% wouldn't make it worthwhile. The article says up from $10. I don't know whether that's a decent wage in the US, but it sounds low and $16 is just barely above the proposed compromise new US minimum wage figure, so it sounds not-hellish but not "do it just for the money" level. Also, I noticed they said "25%" but $10 to $16 is 60%, and if you're griping and can say "we raised by 60% and nobody bit!", then you say that instead of "we raised by over 25% and nobody bit!". So I'm skeptical of the figures - maybe that 60% is best-case or something, and most people are offered $12.50 or something.

by Natsu 4y ago

notwokeno 4y ago

Mine has gone up at a rate pretty close to that over three years. You might consider switching companies.

ninth_ant 4y ago

The rate it’s gone up is a red herring. If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. There are almost certainly miserable working conditions, bad hours, and still an overall low wage. If people are able to find better jobs, then hotels need to treat people better or pay more to offset that. Are we seriously going to cry about megacorps not getting away with paying workers trash wages for miserable jobs? Boo hoo, pay more.

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kortilla 4y ago
Megacorps is a red herring and emotional appeal. The same applies just as much to small businesses in the same industries.
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- pessimizer 4y ago
  Nope. "Megacorps" have economies of scale that small businesses don't have.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    What? The topic is about the cost of labor. It’s impacting small businesses just as much.
Natsu 4y ago
> If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Well, that's why they're going to robots I guess. > Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. I worked a much worse factory job for years. I don't blame people for not wanting such a thing, but sometimes it isn't all about pay, either. You couldn't pay me to go back to my old job.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  They're going to "robots" called "not cleaning for 4 days."
  - Natsu 4y ago
    It's a bit of both, though it looked like the robots were roombas or something. And I think the cleaning would only matter on longer stays, since I believe they'd still have to turn over the room between guests.
sonotathrowaway 4y ago
It’s amazing how well conditioned people are to blame others for not being exploited. Corporations having trouble finding workers to exploit is now a moral failure of the worker for not enriching rich assholes enough.

supertrope 4y ago

Would you work for $16/hr with no health insurance? Hotels are notorious for not only not offering steady 40 hour employment but sending staff home if room count is low or calling people in with minimal notice.

factsarelolz 4y ago
This job seems great for moms that want to work part time while their kids are in school. 11 am - 3pm.
- enumjorge 4y ago
  If we ignore the low pay, physically demanding work, bad benefits and and unpredictable work schedule, then yeah I guess these jobs sound great for moms.
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    Physically demanding? What's the difference between cleaning a hotel room and cleaning your house or bedroom? There's absolutely zero heavy lifting. You change the sheets, vaccuum and wipe down everything. I would option to say taking care of kids is more physically demanding than cleaning. If it's just supplementary income it wouldn't really matter about benefits as the spouse would already have benefits.
    - Mezzie 4y ago
      Zero breaks, for one. And no ability to take sick days/stop doing it if you're injured. Doing work for 1-2 hours a day or a few hours a week is very different from doing it for 20-40 hours a week. (Much like there's a difference between taking on a project or two for a small team that requires some programming and being a full time dev). Oh, and you can't sit. That's like saying anybody who mows their lawn would have no difficulty in a landscaping position. And the kid thing it strongly depends on the age and type of kid. Kids at the most physically exhausting ages also tend to take naps which gives the parent a respite. You can also trade off with the other parent/other relatives if you're tired. Can't do that with work: Your coworkers aren't going to do your job if you have an off day. The physically demanding part is in the demand for physical consistency.

Qwertious 4y ago

What was it up from? If for example they offered the US federal minimum wage in 2020, and the shift hours were unreliable and inflexible, then I could imagine even an extra 25% wouldn't make it worthwhile. The article says up from $10. I don't know whether that's a decent wage in the US, but it sounds low and $16 is just barely above the proposed compromise new US minimum wage figure, so it sounds not-hellish but not "do it just for the money" level. Also, I noticed they said "25%" but $10 to $16 is 60%, and if you're griping and can say "we raised by 60% and nobody bit!", then you say that instead of "we raised by over 25% and nobody bit!". So I'm skeptical of the figures - maybe that 60% is best-case or something, and most people are offered $12.50 or something.