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It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.

masklinn 4y ago
That is not really true, ISPs are relied on by non-technical customers who have neither the personal chops nor a 24/7 technical assistant to help them. Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. Its ability to properly discriminate and aggressively block or plonk messages isvery much one of the reasons people like gmail.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  yes comrade, lets confine everyone to a handful of party-approved websites, for their own good.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  > Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. They aren't providing email in this example, as far as I can tell. They're providing internet access to an email service. Or they should be.
psychphysic 4y ago
That's not how the UK works. We invented the nanny state.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  And the nanny fetish, although that seems to be rather particular to a certain class of people in the UK. That said, full credit on the nanny dog, Staffordshire bull terriers are amazing with children.
  - geraldwhen 4y ago
    They’re certainly good at silencing children permanently.
    - kitd 4y ago
      Not Staffs. You may be thinking of pitbulls.
    - EdwardDiego 4y ago
      Be sure to distinguish the English staffies from the American staffies. Very different dogs.
callahad 4y ago
It shouldn't be the role of the ISP, but in the UK content blocking is legally mandated. E.g., "The Digital Economy Act 2017 placed the requirement for ISP filtering into law and introduced a requirement for ISPs to block pornographic sites with inadequate age verification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...
- Eleison23 4y ago
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  Porn and fraud are two very different things.
- IshKebab 4y ago
  Yeah I'm not sure how much ISPs still bother with that. Up until a year or so ago my ISP was pretty good at blocking torrent sites but now I can visit e.g. 1337x.to with no problems. I think this is talking about 3's adult content filter which is different and has existed for ages and has always been shit (I assume most people disable it).
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  Yeah but email is a service completely unrelated to porn.
  - roenxi 4y ago
    How can an ISP be sure an end-to-end encrypted communication channel isn't being used for porn? It is encrypted. By design they have no idea what it is being used for. It would be very easy to set up a ring of pornography distributors using email (at least in the UK, in civilised countries they'd probably be put out of business by the open internet).
    - Nextgrid 4y ago

masklinn 4y ago

That is not really true, ISPs are relied on by non-technical customers who have neither the personal chops nor a 24/7 technical assistant to help them. Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. Its ability to properly discriminate and aggressively block or plonk messages isvery much one of the reasons people like gmail.

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
yes comrade, lets confine everyone to a handful of party-approved websites, for their own good.
robertlagrant 4y ago
> Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. They aren't providing email in this example, as far as I can tell. They're providing internet access to an email service. Or they should be.

psychphysic 4y ago

That's not how the UK works. We invented the nanny state.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
And the nanny fetish, although that seems to be rather particular to a certain class of people in the UK. That said, full credit on the nanny dog, Staffordshire bull terriers are amazing with children.
- geraldwhen 4y ago
  They’re certainly good at silencing children permanently.
  - kitd 4y ago
    Not Staffs. You may be thinking of pitbulls.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Be sure to distinguish the English staffies from the American staffies. Very different dogs.

callahad 4y ago

It shouldn't be the role of the ISP, but in the UK content blocking is legally mandated. E.g., "The Digital Economy Act 2017 placed the requirement for ISP filtering into law and introduced a requirement for ISPs to block pornographic sites with inadequate age verification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Eleison23 4y ago
that_guy_iain 4y ago
Porn and fraud are two very different things.
IshKebab 4y ago
Yeah I'm not sure how much ISPs still bother with that. Up until a year or so ago my ISP was pretty good at blocking torrent sites but now I can visit e.g. 1337x.to with no problems. I think this is talking about 3's adult content filter which is different and has existed for ages and has always been shit (I assume most people disable it).
lost_tourist 4y ago
Yeah but email is a service completely unrelated to porn.
- roenxi 4y ago
  How can an ISP be sure an end-to-end encrypted communication channel isn't being used for porn? It is encrypted. By design they have no idea what it is being used for. It would be very easy to set up a ring of pornography distributors using email (at least in the UK, in civilised countries they'd probably be put out of business by the open internet).
  - Nextgrid 4y ago