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Raspberry Pi 5 not arriving in 2023

26 points by dagenix 4y ago

geerlingguy 4y ago
My hope is that delay adds up to much more IO expansion, and a smaller node meaning similar performance per watt (or better) in the next Pi revision. Having the support of the Pi engineering team means a lot of small businesses and hobbyists who depend on certain bits of hardware actually working (and not just being features in a bullet list) can solve interesting problems more easily with a Pi than with other similar SBCs (many of which are now a bit faster).
whalesalad 4y ago
Fortunately loads of of alternative platforms exist.
knaik94 4y ago
I wish more companies took this approach. A current Amazon listing has the Pi 4 4gb for 170$ usd and Ebay similarly has 120$ for an open box. I've seen the 8gb ram frequently listed for over 200$. I recognize the shortage of new Pis but, at those prices, I don't understand the demand. I just found a used, tested, ebay listing for a Intel NUC Micro PC i5-7260U 2.2Ghz 8GB RAM 250GB SSD with Windows 10 for 160$. That's not a cherry picked example, similar specs are available across multiple listings at the same price +- 20$. Are there situations outside a power draw limits where choosing a Pi makes more sense than a used NUC or business mini PC at a comparable price?
- techdragon 4y ago
  The ecosystem of GPIO hats for various hardware that can be controlled by a raspberry pi. It’s why you see many other SBCs include the 40 pin header connectors, and often even mechanical hole placement to help with mounting…, they are trying to pick up some small parts of this market.
- Quillbert182 4y ago
  The main benefit of the Raspberry Pi in my opinion is the support. The documentation for the device is spectacular, and the community support is extremely good. Now, I don't feel this warrants paying $170 for the device, but when they are available at MSRP, this is quite the deal.
- joezydeco 4y ago
  I hear you. I deal with ARM SBCs all day long but for my home server box I picked up a used Optiplex 7100 (3.2Ghz Xeon) for $40. They're everywhere.
- blagie 4y ago
  Yes. Anytime you want something to be replicable. If I am making a custom case, connector, or other piece of hardware, I want a standard part. A $170 RPi won't be $170 forever, but I know I'll be able to buy it approximately forever (or a compatible successor). I want mounting holes, ports, and similar to be in the same place. When I was first doing contract engineering work straight out of school, my time was worth $125/hour. Last time I was doing it, it was worth $350/hour. With inflation, I'd guess it's higher now, but I don't know. A $170 part for prototyping is okay. An extra 5 hours dealing with compatibility or form factor issues is not.
johnklos 4y ago
It's a shame the company decided to play dumb about what they did on social media. I don't want to patronize a company that is fine alienating a whole segment of their community, then pretending like it never happened. The rest of the world is moving on, and I'm fine with that. I'm particularly excited to see products like the Orange Pi 5, with up to 32 gigs of memory and a fast eight core CPU, and the 16 gig model is available now, for less than the cost of an 8 gig Pi 4.
- skyyler 4y ago
  I don't really understand where they thought copaganda would get them, given the core users of the device are... Generally pretty anti-cop.
- 3836293648 4y ago
  Wait, what have they done?
  - johnklos 4y ago
    They did this: https://raspberrypi.social/@Raspberry_Pi/109476972427437410 https://raspberrypi.social/@Raspberry_Pi/109476972427437410 https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/1600761840367448064 https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/1600761840367448064 https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/meet-raspberry-pis-maker-in-residence-toby-roberts/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/meet-raspberry-pis-maker-in... Even when many, many people told them that they hadn't thought through that hiring a surveillance cop who used Raspberry Pis to spy on people is creepy and insensitive, they doubled down and blocked many, many people who complained. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisstokelwalker/raspberry-pi-hired-ex-cop-mastodon-controversy https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisstokelwalker/raspb... https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/09/rpi_maker_in_residence_police/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/09/rpi_maker_in_residenc... Now this is bad all by itself, but that's not all. In an interview shortly after this, Liz Upton, Raspberry Pi's cofounder and chief marketing officer showed she's either REALLY ignorant or is intentionally trolling anyone who cares about this. She said: Liz Upton, Raspberry Pi’s cofounder and chief marketing officer, told BuzzFeed she believes that much of the issue stems not from the hiring of the former police officer who admitted to using Raspberry Pis for covert surveillance, but instead from a picture the account posted to Mastodon a day earlier showing pigs in blankets. “We didn’t put a content warning on it, because we don’t put a content warning on meat,” Upton said. “There were quite a few people who tried to start dogpiling on that.” Really? Does she REALLY think we're all just a bunch of angry vegans / vegetarians who are just upset about a photo? Or is she really that clueless? It's hard to tell, but I, for one, wouldn't trust a human like that with judgement about other humans.

26 points by dagenix 4y ago

My hope is that delay adds up to much more IO expansion, and a smaller node meaning similar performance per watt (or better) in the next Pi revision. Having the support of the Pi engineering team means a lot of small businesses and hobbyists who depend on certain bits of hardware actually working (and not just being features in a bullet list) can solve interesting problems more easily with a Pi than with other similar SBCs (many of which are now a bit faster).

whalesalad 4y ago

Fortunately loads of of alternative platforms exist.

knaik94 4y ago

I wish more companies took this approach. A current Amazon listing has the Pi 4 4gb for 170$ usd and Ebay similarly has 120$ for an open box. I've seen the 8gb ram frequently listed for over 200$. I recognize the shortage of new Pis but, at those prices, I don't understand the demand. I just found a used, tested, ebay listing for a Intel NUC Micro PC i5-7260U 2.2Ghz 8GB RAM 250GB SSD with Windows 10 for 160$. That's not a cherry picked example, similar specs are available across multiple listings at the same price +- 20$. Are there situations outside a power draw limits where choosing a Pi makes more sense than a used NUC or business mini PC at a comparable price?

techdragon 4y ago
The ecosystem of GPIO hats for various hardware that can be controlled by a raspberry pi. It’s why you see many other SBCs include the 40 pin header connectors, and often even mechanical hole placement to help with mounting…, they are trying to pick up some small parts of this market.
Quillbert182 4y ago
The main benefit of the Raspberry Pi in my opinion is the support. The documentation for the device is spectacular, and the community support is extremely good. Now, I don't feel this warrants paying $170 for the device, but when they are available at MSRP, this is quite the deal.
joezydeco 4y ago
I hear you. I deal with ARM SBCs all day long but for my home server box I picked up a used Optiplex 7100 (3.2Ghz Xeon) for $40. They're everywhere.
blagie 4y ago
Yes. Anytime you want something to be replicable. If I am making a custom case, connector, or other piece of hardware, I want a standard part. A $170 RPi won't be $170 forever, but I know I'll be able to buy it approximately forever (or a compatible successor). I want mounting holes, ports, and similar to be in the same place. When I was first doing contract engineering work straight out of school, my time was worth $125/hour. Last time I was doing it, it was worth $350/hour. With inflation, I'd guess it's higher now, but I don't know. A $170 part for prototyping is okay. An extra 5 hours dealing with compatibility or form factor issues is not.

johnklos 4y ago

It's a shame the company decided to play dumb about what they did on social media. I don't want to patronize a company that is fine alienating a whole segment of their community, then pretending like it never happened. The rest of the world is moving on, and I'm fine with that. I'm particularly excited to see products like the Orange Pi 5, with up to 32 gigs of memory and a fast eight core CPU, and the 16 gig model is available now, for less than the cost of an 8 gig Pi 4.

skyyler 4y ago
I don't really understand where they thought copaganda would get them, given the core users of the device are... Generally pretty anti-cop.
3836293648 4y ago
Wait, what have they done?
- johnklos 4y ago
  They did this: https://raspberrypi.social/@Raspberry_Pi/109476972427437410 https://raspberrypi.social/@Raspberry_Pi/109476972427437410 https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/1600761840367448064 https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/1600761840367448064 https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/meet-raspberry-pis-maker-in-residence-toby-roberts/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/meet-raspberry-pis-maker-in... Even when many, many people told them that they hadn't thought through that hiring a surveillance cop who used Raspberry Pis to spy on people is creepy and insensitive, they doubled down and blocked many, many people who complained. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisstokelwalker/raspberry-pi-hired-ex-cop-mastodon-controversy https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisstokelwalker/raspb... https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/09/rpi_maker_in_residence_police/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/09/rpi_maker_in_residenc... Now this is bad all by itself, but that's not all. In an interview shortly after this, Liz Upton, Raspberry Pi's cofounder and chief marketing officer showed she's either REALLY ignorant or is intentionally trolling anyone who cares about this. She said: Liz Upton, Raspberry Pi’s cofounder and chief marketing officer, told BuzzFeed she believes that much of the issue stems not from the hiring of the former police officer who admitted to using Raspberry Pis for covert surveillance, but instead from a picture the account posted to Mastodon a day earlier showing pigs in blankets. “We didn’t put a content warning on it, because we don’t put a content warning on meat,” Upton said. “There were quite a few people who tried to start dogpiling on that.” Really? Does she REALLY think we're all just a bunch of angry vegans / vegetarians who are just upset about a photo? Or is she really that clueless? It's hard to tell, but I, for one, wouldn't trust a human like that with judgement about other humans.