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The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well throug

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consensus. God knows Congress isn’t going to do anything: piss off both law enforcement and tech? Yeah I think that’s a hard pass from them.

humanistbot 4y ago
> The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The Constitution wasn't designed for a multi-racial democracy, either. It took a bloody civil war to settle the slavery question though.
- inetknght 4y ago
  And even after the civil war was ended, over 150 years ago, there's still significant portions of people in the modern day who don't act as if the matter is settled.
- kergonath 4y ago
  The constitution was a compromise between different ideas pushed by different people. It is not a holy text or necessarily the ideal outcome from the point of view of any of its signatories. Its historical and philosophical importance are immense. But even from day one, it was not supposed to be the be-all and end-all. There are lots of things it was not designed to handle.
  - nullish_signal 4y ago
    Was the First Amendment intended to apply to Speech by means of Photons and Electric Particles flying at sub-light-speed to 10s 100s or 1000s of Remote Viewers? Was the Fifth Amendment designed to protect magnetic patterns in Etched Silicon? No, but there are mechanisms in place by which the Constitution can be Updated.
- nullish_signal 4y ago
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  - bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
    Then we shall improve the voting populace by first and foremost removing you from it. Progress!
    - nullish_signal 4y ago
      Threats do not tend towards a Functional Society
beepbooptheory 4y ago
I know this is just a rhetorical point of yours, but maybe we can start to accept that America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this. Thinking about it, why would we be? I can't see a good answer to that without appealing to weird/nationalistic/naive ideas about the moral character of states themselves, or simply the understanble nonlogic of "well this is my country, they wouldnt be like that here." At the end of the day, priorites are priorites, incentives are incentives. Efficiency doesn't know or care about culture, it is self-justifying.
- chrisbaker98 4y ago
  > America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this. As someone who has spent many years of my life living outside "America and the West": this is not remotely true.
  - FredPret 4y ago
    I moved from outside into the West and I’m inclined to agree with you. It feels different here. There’s much more trust, even when Westerners mock their institutions, there is a higher baseline and more implied trust.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      The thing is that it’s easy to voice an opinion. And you can be confident that the institutions will endure even if you weaken them, which provides a safety net for populists who have incentives to use corrosive language and attitudes for electoral reasons without fearing a complete breakdown of the state or society. We’ve seen this countless times. However upset people are about Medicare and public welfare, they still want to get some support when they need. It is a factor for instability in the long term, but it is an unavoidable cost of having free speech. Ideally, it would be fought against with a good public education system.
      - nullish_signal 4y ago
nonrandomstring 4y ago
Take some hope. This case exposes the technology for the naked fascism it really is. We always knew this is where it would lead, and that there are few legitimate, ethical uses for face recognition tech. That it was a lawyer taking her kid to a show is priceless and will surely contribute to the blanket ban we all hope for.

humanistbot 4y ago

> The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The Constitution wasn't designed for a multi-racial democracy, either. It took a bloody civil war to settle the slavery question though.

inetknght 4y ago
And even after the civil war was ended, over 150 years ago, there's still significant portions of people in the modern day who don't act as if the matter is settled.
kergonath 4y ago
The constitution was a compromise between different ideas pushed by different people. It is not a holy text or necessarily the ideal outcome from the point of view of any of its signatories. Its historical and philosophical importance are immense. But even from day one, it was not supposed to be the be-all and end-all. There are lots of things it was not designed to handle.
- nullish_signal 4y ago
  Was the First Amendment intended to apply to Speech by means of Photons and Electric Particles flying at sub-light-speed to 10s 100s or 1000s of Remote Viewers? Was the Fifth Amendment designed to protect magnetic patterns in Etched Silicon? No, but there are mechanisms in place by which the Constitution can be Updated.
nullish_signal 4y ago
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- bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
  Then we shall improve the voting populace by first and foremost removing you from it. Progress!
  - nullish_signal 4y ago
    Threats do not tend towards a Functional Society

beepbooptheory 4y ago

I know this is just a rhetorical point of yours, but maybe we can start to accept that America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this. Thinking about it, why would we be? I can't see a good answer to that without appealing to weird/nationalistic/naive ideas about the moral character of states themselves, or simply the understanble nonlogic of "well this is my country, they wouldnt be like that here." At the end of the day, priorites are priorites, incentives are incentives. Efficiency doesn't know or care about culture, it is self-justifying.

chrisbaker98 4y ago
> America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this. As someone who has spent many years of my life living outside "America and the West": this is not remotely true.
- FredPret 4y ago
  I moved from outside into the West and I’m inclined to agree with you. It feels different here. There’s much more trust, even when Westerners mock their institutions, there is a higher baseline and more implied trust.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    The thing is that it’s easy to voice an opinion. And you can be confident that the institutions will endure even if you weaken them, which provides a safety net for populists who have incentives to use corrosive language and attitudes for electoral reasons without fearing a complete breakdown of the state or society. We’ve seen this countless times. However upset people are about Medicare and public welfare, they still want to get some support when they need. It is a factor for instability in the long term, but it is an unavoidable cost of having free speech. Ideally, it would be fought against with a good public education system.
    - nullish_signal 4y ago

nonrandomstring 4y ago

Take some hope. This case exposes the technology for the naked fascism it really is. We always knew this is where it would lead, and that there are few legitimate, ethical uses for face recognition tech. That it was a lawyer taking her kid to a show is priceless and will surely contribute to the blanket ban we all hope for.