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Many seem adamant on publishing any idea that can damage Musk, no matter how flawed it is.

peterashford 4y ago
Many seem adamant on protecting someone who does not need their protection and is deserving of most of the criticism he receives
- tluyben2 4y ago
  I find that one of the biggest riddles since this Twitter thing; why do so many people feel they need to protect (well... they aren't doing much but should online, so better say ; take sides) with one of the richest men in the world who really doesn't need their help at all. He also will not ever reciprocate, in any way, shape or form. So why are so many people trying to defend everything he does?
  - igorkraw 4y ago
    PhilosophyTube aka Abigail Thorne has a take on this in her "what's wrong with royalty" video: If people associate prestige with something they can identify with, then the prestige can "rub off" on them in their perception, they can claim to be part of it. E.g. Britishness being tied to the royal family and that being inherently more refined than more base communities. For Musk, he's a white, rich tech bro who explicitly announces his "alpha" status https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/elon-musk-told-first-wife-at-their-wedding-im-the-alpha/ https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/elon-musk-told-first-wife-at-t... (which I'll let you read between the lines yourself on) - a lot of white wanna be rich tech bros will identify with him. And that's not even going into the whole "If I lick his boots enough senpai might notice me" dynamic
  - Sebb767 4y ago
    Maybe what you take for protecting Elon is really just having a different opinion? I've personally 'defended' Musk a lot on HN already, not because I particularly like him or think he needs it, but because I honestly think that he is smart and archieved some impressive successes. He's still flawed, obviously, but that doesn't mean that I won't disagree with someone arguing that he is just to dumb to manage anything. Now, of course there are fanboys agreeing with everything and haters disagreeing with everything, but in these Elon threats I saw a lot of accusations of fanboyism/blind hate when the actual commenter simply disagreed about the situation.
    - tluyben2 4y ago
      Yeah, that makes sense, but it seems more and more like fanboys than people like yourself. I have heard him say smart things and seen him do good things, and I say that in a nuanced way. I was more talking about people on Twitter (and everywhere else really...) who come in droves telling 'critical' people they are left-wing, woke and, of course, jealous of Musk. If you are just commenting something positive about Musk that has merit, then of course that's great, but the slack-jawed adoration for the dude is just incredible. Especially when he is being a dick and/or wrong. I guess I never looked up to someone in that way maybe... Especially someone who I don't know personally and see on the internet (and thus might be a horrible person irl).
- veryverysad 4y ago
  I dislike mobs above anything. Piling up on someone with fallacies, rage, aggressivity. Big big yuck!
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    He and 'his mob' do the same thing though? Not that one thing warrants the other, but still, you dislike it both ways I assume?
    - veryverysad 4y ago
      What are you talking about? Is he obsessed with person X all day and writing lies and inviting others to add pressure on that person? No. He focuses on his projects.
      - pjc50 4y ago
        He's obsessively "anti-woke", like a lot of people.
      - orwin 4y ago
        > Is he obsessed with person X all day and writing lies and inviting others to add pressure on that person? No. Yes. https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-reporter-linette-lopez-need-to-stop.html https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-rep... July 2018. I know it won't change your mind, but read the article. If the Thai submarine didn't already miffed you, it won't do anything, and you will still be able to see Elon as a demigod, don't worry.
  - spinchange 4y ago
    You read the economist piece as a bullying pile on? Maybe you're seeing just unpopularity and don't understand it.
Eisenstein 4y ago
Are you making an argument or is this like a drive-by ad-hominem/questing-motives fallacy?
spinchange 4y ago
There is another contingent of "many," who feel personally protective of Musk and like he needs to be vigorously defended no matter what. It's usually people who have no personal connection to him or his companies but idealize him as representative of something more than any single person is or can possibly be. Musk has flaws too which isn't a groundbreaking or wild thing to say but it makes a lot of people's heads explode. Why is that?
- veryverysad 4y ago
  I can't stand bullies. I'll be on the way everytime the illiterate mob tries to cancel a new victim.
  - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
    It’s truly hilariously ironic to see people defending (until recently) the literal richest man in the world and someone well known for having a mercurial temper and treating everyone around him like garbage, as being the victim of “bullying”.
  - vaidhy 4y ago
    How do you differentiate between that and a literate mob trying to correct a incorrect idea? Should we encourage flat earthers? Anti-vaxxers? Apartheid supporters? Where do you draw the line and on what basis?
  - fsociety 4y ago
    Ha Elon does not need your protection.
  - spinchange 4y ago
    The Philistines likely saw Goliath as a poor victim of David, too.
shapefrog 4y ago
He isnt going to buy you a horse
- veryverysad 4y ago
  I wonder why on earth you think this is a meaningful comment
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    I guess you disagree. Best of luck, I hope he comes through for you!

Many seem adamant on protecting someone who does not need their protection and is deserving of most of the criticism he receives

tluyben2 4y ago
I find that one of the biggest riddles since this Twitter thing; why do so many people feel they need to protect (well... they aren't doing much but should online, so better say ; take sides) with one of the richest men in the world who really doesn't need their help at all. He also will not ever reciprocate, in any way, shape or form. So why are so many people trying to defend everything he does?
- igorkraw 4y ago
  PhilosophyTube aka Abigail Thorne has a take on this in her "what's wrong with royalty" video: If people associate prestige with something they can identify with, then the prestige can "rub off" on them in their perception, they can claim to be part of it. E.g. Britishness being tied to the royal family and that being inherently more refined than more base communities. For Musk, he's a white, rich tech bro who explicitly announces his "alpha" status https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/elon-musk-told-first-wife-at-their-wedding-im-the-alpha/ https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/elon-musk-told-first-wife-at-t... (which I'll let you read between the lines yourself on) - a lot of white wanna be rich tech bros will identify with him. And that's not even going into the whole "If I lick his boots enough senpai might notice me" dynamic
- Sebb767 4y ago
  Maybe what you take for protecting Elon is really just having a different opinion? I've personally 'defended' Musk a lot on HN already, not because I particularly like him or think he needs it, but because I honestly think that he is smart and archieved some impressive successes. He's still flawed, obviously, but that doesn't mean that I won't disagree with someone arguing that he is just to dumb to manage anything. Now, of course there are fanboys agreeing with everything and haters disagreeing with everything, but in these Elon threats I saw a lot of accusations of fanboyism/blind hate when the actual commenter simply disagreed about the situation.
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    Yeah, that makes sense, but it seems more and more like fanboys than people like yourself. I have heard him say smart things and seen him do good things, and I say that in a nuanced way. I was more talking about people on Twitter (and everywhere else really...) who come in droves telling 'critical' people they are left-wing, woke and, of course, jealous of Musk. If you are just commenting something positive about Musk that has merit, then of course that's great, but the slack-jawed adoration for the dude is just incredible. Especially when he is being a dick and/or wrong. I guess I never looked up to someone in that way maybe... Especially someone who I don't know personally and see on the internet (and thus might be a horrible person irl).
veryverysad 4y ago
I dislike mobs above anything. Piling up on someone with fallacies, rage, aggressivity. Big big yuck!
- tluyben2 4y ago
  He and 'his mob' do the same thing though? Not that one thing warrants the other, but still, you dislike it both ways I assume?
  - veryverysad 4y ago
    What are you talking about? Is he obsessed with person X all day and writing lies and inviting others to add pressure on that person? No. He focuses on his projects.
    - pjc50 4y ago
      He's obsessively "anti-woke", like a lot of people.
    - orwin 4y ago
      > Is he obsessed with person X all day and writing lies and inviting others to add pressure on that person? No. Yes. https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-reporter-linette-lopez-need-to-stop.html https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-rep... July 2018. I know it won't change your mind, but read the article. If the Thai submarine didn't already miffed you, it won't do anything, and you will still be able to see Elon as a demigod, don't worry.
- spinchange 4y ago
  You read the economist piece as a bullying pile on? Maybe you're seeing just unpopularity and don't understand it.

Eisenstein 4y ago

Are you making an argument or is this like a drive-by ad-hominem/questing-motives fallacy?

spinchange 4y ago

There is another contingent of "many," who feel personally protective of Musk and like he needs to be vigorously defended no matter what. It's usually people who have no personal connection to him or his companies but idealize him as representative of something more than any single person is or can possibly be. Musk has flaws too which isn't a groundbreaking or wild thing to say but it makes a lot of people's heads explode. Why is that?

veryverysad 4y ago
I can't stand bullies. I'll be on the way everytime the illiterate mob tries to cancel a new victim.
- ryanwaggoner 4y ago
  It’s truly hilariously ironic to see people defending (until recently) the literal richest man in the world and someone well known for having a mercurial temper and treating everyone around him like garbage, as being the victim of “bullying”.
- vaidhy 4y ago
  How do you differentiate between that and a literate mob trying to correct a incorrect idea? Should we encourage flat earthers? Anti-vaxxers? Apartheid supporters? Where do you draw the line and on what basis?
- fsociety 4y ago
  Ha Elon does not need your protection.
- spinchange 4y ago
  The Philistines likely saw Goliath as a poor victim of David, too.

shapefrog 4y ago

He isnt going to buy you a horse

veryverysad 4y ago
I wonder why on earth you think this is a meaningful comment
- shapefrog 4y ago
  I guess you disagree. Best of luck, I hope he comes through for you!