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> and is often implied as feminine > his noble aim is apparently silencing criticism from women. Lol as someone living in the UK, the term "scold" as a verb o

> and is often implied as feminine > his noble aim is apparently silencing criticism from women. Lol as someone living in the UK, the term "scold" as a verb or noun has never in my life managed to imply "woman". Ever. You're just looking for things that aren't there

dools 4y ago
Wrong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scold%27s_bridle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scold%27s_bridle
- Semaphor 4y ago
  That’s not the greatest of links, a better link is wiktionary, which still supports the claim > A person who habitually scolds, in particular a troublesome and angry woman. -- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scold#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scold#English edit: Please leave me out of your mud-slinging fight. I simply wanted to provide a better link about the assertion, I make no other claims about what hole of Elon you use for what else.
  - LightG 4y ago
    Wiktionary ... or actual lived experience in the UK. Which one are you going to choose? 'Scold', in the UK, is 99.9999% NEVER used in that context. The 0.001% use case is probably your comment.
  - spoiler 4y ago
    I've clicked the link in the original post too, but that seems to refer to an archaic use of the word. We don't live in 1600s England. Do people use "gay" for happy, or "thou" is part of every day speech? So, if people use a word in a modern sentence, it should be interpreted by it's contemporary meaning. That's not what happened though. Someone read an article, where someone described a group of people with holier-than-thou attitudes (granted, sometimes they make good points, but let's get real: its Twitter, so there's few good points to be had in general). This person then decided to cling onto a footnote about archaic use of a single word to insinuate Musk is a misogynist (and maybe he really is, I don't know). If I was being facetious I could say your use of "link" reminds me of chains and slavery, and call you an insensitive micro-aggressive racist. It would, of course, be ludicrous. (Edit: I forgot this did happen with git actually lol)
- spoiler 4y ago
  You somehow managed to be wrong, while calling me out on being wrong... Amazing
  - dools 4y ago
    You said that, as someone living in the UK, the term "scold" has never in your life been used, ever, as "imply[ing] a woman". Well, the page I linked to describes the Scold's Bridal, and links to a modern day crime novel of the same name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scold%27s_Bridle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scold%27s_Bridle The use in the article referenced by OP you responded to, ie. "censurious left-wing scolds" was definitely using it in this sense.
    - spoiler 4y ago
      I think the use refers to the more contemporary use of the word: a person that has a habit of scolding, which the rest of the articles kinda makes obvious, as it's not talking about gender at all?
      - orwin 4y ago
        I don't like doing this, because i really don't care about this particular discussion, and i'm certainly not a native speaker. I agree with you on this particular post, but i want to add something (and i think you were both uncharitable to each other, which is dumb when talking about linguistics). The term "bitch" is now mostly non-gendered, used against men and women, would you agree? Still, when used in a text ranting about political enemies, and not as an endearing term, don't you have an image of a group of women (blue-haired hippies, or blond-haired Karens depending on your political bias :) )? Or of a feminine man? I'm obviously not an english major and had no idea scold was used primarily for women historically, but being charitable to OP, can't you both have a very different lecture of the word, depending on each other exposition? Be it by age, or even culture.
        spoiler 4y ago
        > I'm obviously not an english major and had no idea scold was used primarily for women historically, but being charitable to OP, can't you both have a very different lecture of the word, depending on each other exposition? Be it by age, or even culture. That's a fair take, and you're right that I was a bit insensitive in the discussion. It just pushed a personal button of mine, which is all too common these days, and that it is to misrepresenting language as a form of gaslighting or manipulation. It's also unproductive—as this thread demonstrated. Anyway, that's also not an excuse to be an asshole, so I apologise. Edit: not in any way trying to imply the OP intentionally did this, but it's unfortunately all too common when heated subjects are being discussed Regarding language differences: Again you're right, I assumed that meanings didn't diverge (to this degree); they very well might have.

dools 4y ago

Wrong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scold%27s_bridle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scold%27s_bridle

Semaphor 4y ago
That’s not the greatest of links, a better link is wiktionary, which still supports the claim > A person who habitually scolds, in particular a troublesome and angry woman. -- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scold#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scold#English edit: Please leave me out of your mud-slinging fight. I simply wanted to provide a better link about the assertion, I make no other claims about what hole of Elon you use for what else.
- LightG 4y ago
  Wiktionary ... or actual lived experience in the UK. Which one are you going to choose? 'Scold', in the UK, is 99.9999% NEVER used in that context. The 0.001% use case is probably your comment.
- spoiler 4y ago
  I've clicked the link in the original post too, but that seems to refer to an archaic use of the word. We don't live in 1600s England. Do people use "gay" for happy, or "thou" is part of every day speech? So, if people use a word in a modern sentence, it should be interpreted by it's contemporary meaning. That's not what happened though. Someone read an article, where someone described a group of people with holier-than-thou attitudes (granted, sometimes they make good points, but let's get real: its Twitter, so there's few good points to be had in general). This person then decided to cling onto a footnote about archaic use of a single word to insinuate Musk is a misogynist (and maybe he really is, I don't know). If I was being facetious I could say your use of "link" reminds me of chains and slavery, and call you an insensitive micro-aggressive racist. It would, of course, be ludicrous. (Edit: I forgot this did happen with git actually lol)
spoiler 4y ago
You somehow managed to be wrong, while calling me out on being wrong... Amazing
- dools 4y ago
  You said that, as someone living in the UK, the term "scold" has never in your life been used, ever, as "imply[ing] a woman". Well, the page I linked to describes the Scold's Bridal, and links to a modern day crime novel of the same name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scold%27s_Bridle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scold%27s_Bridle The use in the article referenced by OP you responded to, ie. "censurious left-wing scolds" was definitely using it in this sense.
  - spoiler 4y ago
    I think the use refers to the more contemporary use of the word: a person that has a habit of scolding, which the rest of the articles kinda makes obvious, as it's not talking about gender at all?
    - orwin 4y ago
      I don't like doing this, because i really don't care about this particular discussion, and i'm certainly not a native speaker. I agree with you on this particular post, but i want to add something (and i think you were both uncharitable to each other, which is dumb when talking about linguistics). The term "bitch" is now mostly non-gendered, used against men and women, would you agree? Still, when used in a text ranting about political enemies, and not as an endearing term, don't you have an image of a group of women (blue-haired hippies, or blond-haired Karens depending on your political bias :) )? Or of a feminine man? I'm obviously not an english major and had no idea scold was used primarily for women historically, but being charitable to OP, can't you both have a very different lecture of the word, depending on each other exposition? Be it by age, or even culture.
      - spoiler 4y ago
        > I'm obviously not an english major and had no idea scold was used primarily for women historically, but being charitable to OP, can't you both have a very different lecture of the word, depending on each other exposition? Be it by age, or even culture. That's a fair take, and you're right that I was a bit insensitive in the discussion. It just pushed a personal button of mine, which is all too common these days, and that it is to misrepresenting language as a form of gaslighting or manipulation. It's also unproductive—as this thread demonstrated. Anyway, that's also not an excuse to be an asshole, so I apologise. Edit: not in any way trying to imply the OP intentionally did this, but it's unfortunately all too common when heated subjects are being discussed Regarding language differences: Again you're right, I assumed that meanings didn't diverge (to this degree); they very well might have.