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A migrant will succeed there but you will need to speak German fluently - without that you cannot succeed. 800,00 Syrian refugees to large degree have managed

A migrant will succeed there but you will need to speak German fluently - without that you cannot succeed. 800,00 Syrian refugees to large degree have managed to integrate with their new homeland and many have taken steps to become citizens.

ls15 4y ago
> A migrant will succeed there but you will need to speak German fluently - without that you cannot succeed. If you work in IT or media, often even English is enough. Navigating public service can be really hard though, even if you speak perfect German, but especially if you don't.
- tibbydudeza 4y ago
  I was lucky when I worked in Augsburg there was a former US base nearby so most locals in the shops had some basic understanding of English but were terrible at speaking it. The folks I worked with (IT) understood and spoke English rather well.
charlieyu1 4y ago
Speaking a language fluently is subjective. I moved from Hong Kong to UK. We studied English for 10+ years back then, and I had worked in full English environment for years. Still struggling with talking in English with local people. The accents are different, the choice of words are different, sometimes we preferred to use simple words etc. The results is I can probably understand 60-70% what the other person says, and vice versa. Fill the empty holes with guess game and I feel I sound like a total idiot in conversations sometimes. The worst part is either side repeating the same word two or three times, because the word already known to both is pronounced differently. My confidence in my English ability went from 100% to 0% in a few months. At least for some places I can use email and I'm definitely feel much better when I can just read and write.
- logical_ferry 4y ago
  I worked for a Slovenian company for 6 years. I am from a neighbouring country with a somewhat similar language, but never moved to Slovenia. I was an outsourced member, let's say. After about 3 years I realized I can write one hell of an email. Speaking? I couldn't buy a loaf of bread, I was a bonafide idiot when I went to visit them.
hazn 4y ago
Important to note that German is a very tricky language to speak fluently. In this case, fluently meaning no grammatical errors. Also important to note is that Germans are uptight about sentence structures being flawless. Of all the countries I lived/visited (US, England, Turkey), the Germans are most uptight about people speaking their language correctly. I have heard similar stories about France, but I don't know first-hand. The complexity of the German language combined with the expected level of competency lead to non-native speakers being thought of as less competent or not integrated enough for the German society.
- tibbydudeza 4y ago
  Also, they could determine where you came from by the way you spoke German. My home language has some Germanic roots but minus the complicated gender stuff.

ls15 4y ago

> A migrant will succeed there but you will need to speak German fluently - without that you cannot succeed. If you work in IT or media, often even English is enough. Navigating public service can be really hard though, even if you speak perfect German, but especially if you don't.

tibbydudeza 4y ago
I was lucky when I worked in Augsburg there was a former US base nearby so most locals in the shops had some basic understanding of English but were terrible at speaking it. The folks I worked with (IT) understood and spoke English rather well.

charlieyu1 4y ago

Speaking a language fluently is subjective. I moved from Hong Kong to UK. We studied English for 10+ years back then, and I had worked in full English environment for years. Still struggling with talking in English with local people. The accents are different, the choice of words are different, sometimes we preferred to use simple words etc. The results is I can probably understand 60-70% what the other person says, and vice versa. Fill the empty holes with guess game and I feel I sound like a total idiot in conversations sometimes. The worst part is either side repeating the same word two or three times, because the word already known to both is pronounced differently. My confidence in my English ability went from 100% to 0% in a few months. At least for some places I can use email and I'm definitely feel much better when I can just read and write.

logical_ferry 4y ago
I worked for a Slovenian company for 6 years. I am from a neighbouring country with a somewhat similar language, but never moved to Slovenia. I was an outsourced member, let's say. After about 3 years I realized I can write one hell of an email. Speaking? I couldn't buy a loaf of bread, I was a bonafide idiot when I went to visit them.

hazn 4y ago

Important to note that German is a very tricky language to speak fluently. In this case, fluently meaning no grammatical errors. Also important to note is that Germans are uptight about sentence structures being flawless. Of all the countries I lived/visited (US, England, Turkey), the Germans are most uptight about people speaking their language correctly. I have heard similar stories about France, but I don't know first-hand. The complexity of the German language combined with the expected level of competency lead to non-native speakers being thought of as less competent or not integrated enough for the German society.

tibbydudeza 4y ago
Also, they could determine where you came from by the way you spoke German. My home language has some Germanic roots but minus the complicated gender stuff.