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These are not autonomous, they are more like an extension of someone who controls them. I understand your point but I disagree. Yes a human controls them and
by LinuxBender 4y ago
These are not autonomous, they are more like an extension of someone who controls them.
I understand your point but I disagree. Yes a human controls them and just like a remote human on the internet the people on the camera are just video game targets. There is no way to communicate with the drone operator. People do not hear each others voices and do not have a real human experience. The internet has proven beyond any shadow of doubt that people will destroy other people on the internet that they would otherwise be polite to in person. The drone operator has nothing to risk or lose other than the drone itself. The soldiers in the field have everything to lose.
If we are at the point where people are fighting drones, it is clearly time to escalate. I know this will be a wildly unpopular belief but it is time to get the soldiers out of the field all together and use longer range missiles or do unspeakable things that will truly shock the enemy into giving up or more realistically factoring in Russian history, just wipe out the enemy all together.
Russia understands this. In the past weeks they have loaded up over 7k nukes into their silos and subs. They have recently retrofitted most of their massive bunkers.
- credit_guy 4y ago> I know this will be a wildly unpopular belief but it is time to get the soldiers out of the field all together. Maybe it's unpopular with you, but what's wrong with just getting the soldiers out of the field all together, period? Nobody invited the Russian soldiers where they are.
- 082349872349872 4y agoThanks to automation, camels, donkeys, horses, mules, oxen, and most dogs are spared being in fields they might have been deployed to in a lower-tech era. At some point, it will be as anachronistic to find a person in the field as it now is a horse. (I kind of hope we solve the "reasonable amounts of peace" thing before that technical milestone is crossed.)
- LinuxBender 4y agowhat's wrong with just getting the soldiers out of the field all together, period? I like the idea but the way it's actually going down is awful. Russian soldiers that returned without permission are being brutally abused and made examples of. Youtube takes down the videos but you can find some of them on bitchute and 4chan.
- 082349872349872 4y agoI don't agree with your point of view, but it would actually make it easier to surrender to a drone: for various reasons it is impractical to offer the russian leadership an offramp at this time, but (if our[=UA] propaganda is to be believed) the morale of the suffering russian conscript is such that they would be relieved to take an offramp if properly presented. To me the drone says "there is a large enough UA force close enough that your surrender can be processed with no danger of interference from your (former) command"; to you the drone continues "furthermore there is no dishonour in surrendering to the drone, because it is a significant escalation in the fight. You did your best, and must surrender now". Does that make sense?
- LinuxBender 4y agoDoes that make sense? I totally get what everyone is saying, I just know it will not play out how people think it will. They might allow a handful of troops to surrender at first to condition them into thinking this is a thing. The problem is that Russia are past taking prisoners. The Russians have nothing more to learn from their enemy and have not even learned lessons from this war. Both sides are still using trench warfare. The Russians will just mow down the Ukrainians once enough of them start to surrender. If people insist on using trenches, they will need to change the methodology to the tunnels used in the Vietnam war.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoYou seem to be confused. This is Russians surrendering to a Ukrainian drone. What Russia would do to Ukrainians who surrender is not a relevant topic.
- Aeolun 4y agoI think you are a little bit too pessimistic. Of course you run a risk, but if a drone with a grenade is already hanging over your head, running the risk of surrendering might beat being blasted to pieces.
- LinuxBender 4y agoThis is why the actual training they need right now at this moment is to stop using the trenches. As soon as drones enter the picture, trench warfare is a losing battle. Both sides are still doing it and there are thousands of FPV videos of the drones dropping explosives on the soldiers that think they are hiding. They need to split up. They need real signal intelligence. They need to capture the drones and get the encryption keys off of them ASAP. They need to shut down all RF communication. If people insist on using trenches, they will need to change the methodology to the tunnels used in the Vietnam war vs open trenches. This is of course not feasible in the ground where they are located.