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They aren't really world travellers though. Only 23% hold a passport. Then there is the language barrier (low English skill), weak yen, perception of foreign c

They aren't really world travellers though. Only 23% hold a passport. Then there is the language barrier (low English skill), weak yen, perception of foreign countries as dangerous, and the inability to take a week or more of vacation time.

mbg721 4y ago
What percentage of Americans hold a passport? I'd guess it's similar.
- kolanos 4y ago
  37% of American adults have passports. [0] [0]: https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021...
  - ddulaney 4y ago
    Interesting that polling data is different from State Department issuance data. I wonder what the difference is? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-...
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      It's legal to have two US passports. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/have-passport/second-passport-book.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/have-pa...
      - ghaff 4y ago
        I have to believe that's in the noise. It's for some very specific purposes and, as I recall, when I looked it up at one point for no particular reason, it was fairly burdensome to do.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        Perhaps, but the passport cards aren't at all difficult or rare; you can apply for both in the same form. > 21,995,760 (includes 3,361,037 passport cards) https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-pa...
        ghaff 4y ago
        Fair enough. I forgot that you could apply to get both (which basically gives you a spare federal photo ID which is also good for entering Canada or Mexico). I have a Global Entry card so I didn't bother. Not sure what the other stats are counting as passports and if they're double-counting or not. You can also get two passport books--basically for visiting countries that may do visa stamps and which won't admit people with the "wrong" visa stamp--which is what I was talking about.
        Scoundreller 4y ago
        I think a bigger reason for having multi US passports is how much of a black hole sending your passport to a foreign embassy for a visa can take. A common problem for those that do training/sales around the world for short trips. Sometimes quite amazing how long an embassy can take when it’s one of the country’s big industries you’re heading to to train them on the expensive thing they surely want to maintain…
        ghaff 4y ago
        Although I'm not sure the degree to which getting multiple passports plays into this. Maybe it's easier to get multiple passports these days. Pre-pandemic, I canceled a couple of trips to India for visa issues--wouldn't get back in time for other trips--although my understanding is the situation has improved.
        kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
        Passport cards are now more readily available since state DMVs can process them as part of the RealID initiative. They're cheaper than a proper passport but I would venture many passport holders have one for convenience.
      - CobaltFire 4y ago
        For many years I had two US passports; my civilian Blue and my official Maroon. Not quite the same as that link, but there are reasons. For a while my family of four had seven passports, though three of those would be counted for Japan.
      - lostlogin 4y ago
        A bit of googling suggests you can have 3 or 4, but I can’t find a US government source on that.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        Wouldn't be surprising. Up to two normal passport books, an additional passport card, and a special issuance one (diplomatic, military). Can't use the special ones for personal travel so you'd need both forms.
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  - Grazester 4y ago
    The number is above 50% according to gov data https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-... Edit, it took me so long to post this I was beaten to it by 12 minutes.
- ddulaney 4y ago
  Closer to 45 or 50% of Americans. 152 million valid passports in 2022 [0] vs 333 million people[1], of which ~93% are citizens [2]. The “Americans don’t have passports” idea seems to mostly be a holdover from the early 2000’s [3]. [0]: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-... [1]: https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ [2]: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-citizenship-status/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-ci... [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42586638.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42586638.amp
  - Uvix 4y ago
    It was probably accurate at the time; but with the recent push to require passports for domestic travel, it's natural that the US has seen an increase in the number of people getting one.
    - alwayslikethis 4y ago
      When was it required to have a passport for domestic travel? I think everyone just uses a driver's license.
      - labcomputer 4y ago
        In theory, Any Day Now, you will be required to have a RealID (tm) to board a fight. Of course, the deadline has been pushed back yet again. Not all drivers licenses meet that criteria, but a passport does.
        landemva 4y ago
        > you will be required to have a RealID to board a fight. Which law says that? It is possible to fly domestic without ID. I did it twice and TSA had me sign a form which basically self-declared that I am not a problem. The ID check is to make it difficult to resell frequent flier award travel. So the TSA ID-checkers are the airline's revenue helpers. Last summer I put a bunch of transparent tape over the picture on my passport to see what would happen with TSA. The TSA lady asked me to peel it off. That was going slowly so she called a supervisor who quickly waved me through.
- akiselev 4y ago
  According to this infographic from the State Department [1], in 2019 44.5% of US citizens had passports (146 million valid passports in circulation). That rose to over 150 million in 2022 [2] but I can't find a percentage. For non-citizens the numbers are even higher and they're not evenly distributed by state. Last I checked almost two thirds of Californians had valid passports, whereas states like Arkansas were more in line with the Japanese rate. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/travel/CA-By-the-Number-2020.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/travel/CA-By-the-Number... [2] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-...
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- godelski 4y ago
  We're talking about Japan. Not everything has to be about America.
  - mbg721 4y ago
    I'm clearly wrong, judging from the responses, but my point in bringing it up was that Americans somehow show up around the world even though there are huge groups of us who never leave even their own state.
    - godelski 4y ago
      What I'm personally annoyed about is the "but what about..." conversations. To me these are quite annoying and derail the conversation. There are proper ways to bring up comparisons. For example "I wonder if other countries have similarly low passport rates?" There's also the aspect that a lot of conversations end up being particularly Americentric. But let's remember that America doesn't have to be brought into every conversation. It isn't helpful. In particular here it just seemed like you wanted to shit on America. There's plenty of reasons to do so, but this was just out of the blue. It is common, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable behavior.
ghaff 4y ago
>low English skill As a native English speaker, especially if you travel mostly to Europe or generally urban/tourist track areas elsewhere, it's pretty easy to get the impression that an at least minimally resourceful and adaptable person can generally get by even without English-speaking guides and other travel resources. But that's not really true for a lot of people in other countries, especially if their languages don't use Roman script and they don't really know any foreign languages.
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  Their education system is quite poorly suited to teaching a foreign language effectively (as with any other), but there is also this very low exposure to English (or any other foreign language) due to the abundance of translated material.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Not just translated, but presumably dubbed? I have some eastern euro relatives that owe their English skill (moreso vocab than grammar) to local-language subtitled TV/movies (too poor to dub).
    - autoexec 4y ago
      Just one of the many reasons subs are superior.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      > I have some eastern euro relatives that owe their English skill (moreso vocab than grammar) to local-language subtitled TV/movies (too poor to dub). Can confirm, it was the same for me and many of my peers when growing up (and video games for those that partook). However today everything is dubbed on TV, your only chance of subtitles to learn is on new releases in the cinemas.
- bane 4y ago
  I'm an American, native English speaker, no real other languages at a conversational level other than some High-School Spanish and a couple hundred words of Korean due to marriage. The further you get away from areas with familiar scripts, language cognates, and speakers, the more lost one can feel very quickly. Parts of Hungary, for example, were quite difficult even though they use Latin script, are European, and usually have lots of English speakers around. One of the things I found that made Japan remarkable was how easy it was to get around as a non-Japanese speaker. Until you end up off the mainline tourist bits, then things can get quickly pretty dicey. I don't think the inverse is true for the average Japanese person in even the most tourist friendly spots elsewhere. Everywhere is opaque, and there aren't enough Japanese speaking tourists to make it worthwhile to add it to all of the signage and menus to make it work out.
midoridensha 4y ago
>perception of foreign countries as dangerous Foreign countries are dangerous, compared to Japan. You can see it in all the national crime rates. Only a few places are as safe, such as Singapore, and some rich micronations in Europe.
- Haga 4y ago
- ghaff 4y ago
  Multiples of a very low number is still a pretty low number. That said, having returned fairly recently from an event in an unfamiliar US city with a reputation for being relatively dangerous (Detroit), I'll say that I didn't feel very comfortable in spite of it probably being mostly safe enough objectively. So it's understandable that an obvious tourist who doesn't speak the language at all in a US or European city might feel at risk.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    With America, it entirely depends on where you go. Some parts of a single city might be dangerous, and other parts nearby much less so. Detroit has a bad reputation, but isn't unsafe everyhwere. That said, every place in the US is generally less safe than many other countries just because of the usage of cars, and their typical high speeds compared to other places. Over 30k people die in the US every year in car crashes. Usually, people think of crime when the word "unsafe" is used, but they forget all the danger with cars.
- DoItToMe81 4y ago
  Switzerland and Denmark are not micronations but are comparatively safe or safer.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    They're not micronations but they're tiny compared to Japan. The two of them combined have less than half the population of Tokyo.
poulsbohemian 4y ago
None of that sounds any different than the US really…

mbg721 4y ago

What percentage of Americans hold a passport? I'd guess it's similar.

kolanos 4y ago
37% of American adults have passports. [0] [0]: https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021...
- ddulaney 4y ago
  Interesting that polling data is different from State Department issuance data. I wonder what the difference is? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-...
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    It's legal to have two US passports. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/have-passport/second-passport-book.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/have-pa...
    - ghaff 4y ago
      I have to believe that's in the noise. It's for some very specific purposes and, as I recall, when I looked it up at one point for no particular reason, it was fairly burdensome to do.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        Perhaps, but the passport cards aren't at all difficult or rare; you can apply for both in the same form. > 21,995,760 (includes 3,361,037 passport cards) https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-pa...
        ghaff 4y ago
        Fair enough. I forgot that you could apply to get both (which basically gives you a spare federal photo ID which is also good for entering Canada or Mexico). I have a Global Entry card so I didn't bother. Not sure what the other stats are counting as passports and if they're double-counting or not. You can also get two passport books--basically for visiting countries that may do visa stamps and which won't admit people with the "wrong" visa stamp--which is what I was talking about.
        Scoundreller 4y ago
        I think a bigger reason for having multi US passports is how much of a black hole sending your passport to a foreign embassy for a visa can take. A common problem for those that do training/sales around the world for short trips. Sometimes quite amazing how long an embassy can take when it’s one of the country’s big industries you’re heading to to train them on the expensive thing they surely want to maintain…
        ghaff 4y ago
        Although I'm not sure the degree to which getting multiple passports plays into this. Maybe it's easier to get multiple passports these days. Pre-pandemic, I canceled a couple of trips to India for visa issues--wouldn't get back in time for other trips--although my understanding is the situation has improved.
      - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
        Passport cards are now more readily available since state DMVs can process them as part of the RealID initiative. They're cheaper than a proper passport but I would venture many passport holders have one for convenience.
    - CobaltFire 4y ago
      For many years I had two US passports; my civilian Blue and my official Maroon. Not quite the same as that link, but there are reasons. For a while my family of four had seven passports, though three of those would be counted for Japan.
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      A bit of googling suggests you can have 3 or 4, but I can’t find a US government source on that.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        Wouldn't be surprising. Up to two normal passport books, an additional passport card, and a special issuance one (diplomatic, military). Can't use the special ones for personal travel so you'd need both forms.
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- Grazester 4y ago
  The number is above 50% according to gov data https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-... Edit, it took me so long to post this I was beaten to it by 12 minutes.
ddulaney 4y ago
Closer to 45 or 50% of Americans. 152 million valid passports in 2022 [0] vs 333 million people[1], of which ~93% are citizens [2]. The “Americans don’t have passports” idea seems to mostly be a holdover from the early 2000’s [3]. [0]: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-... [1]: https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ [2]: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-citizenship-status/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-ci... [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42586638.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42586638.amp
- Uvix 4y ago
  It was probably accurate at the time; but with the recent push to require passports for domestic travel, it's natural that the US has seen an increase in the number of people getting one.
  - alwayslikethis 4y ago
    When was it required to have a passport for domestic travel? I think everyone just uses a driver's license.
    - labcomputer 4y ago
      In theory, Any Day Now, you will be required to have a RealID (tm) to board a fight. Of course, the deadline has been pushed back yet again. Not all drivers licenses meet that criteria, but a passport does.
      - landemva 4y ago
        > you will be required to have a RealID to board a fight. Which law says that? It is possible to fly domestic without ID. I did it twice and TSA had me sign a form which basically self-declared that I am not a problem. The ID check is to make it difficult to resell frequent flier award travel. So the TSA ID-checkers are the airline's revenue helpers. Last summer I put a bunch of transparent tape over the picture on my passport to see what would happen with TSA. The TSA lady asked me to peel it off. That was going slowly so she called a supervisor who quickly waved me through.
akiselev 4y ago
According to this infographic from the State Department [1], in 2019 44.5% of US citizens had passports (146 million valid passports in circulation). That rose to over 150 million in 2022 [2] but I can't find a percentage. For non-citizens the numbers are even higher and they're not evenly distributed by state. Last I checked almost two thirds of Californians had valid passports, whereas states like Arkansas were more in line with the Japanese rate. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/travel/CA-By-the-Number-2020.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/travel/CA-By-the-Number... [2] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-and-statistics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us/reports-...
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godelski 4y ago
We're talking about Japan. Not everything has to be about America.
- mbg721 4y ago
  I'm clearly wrong, judging from the responses, but my point in bringing it up was that Americans somehow show up around the world even though there are huge groups of us who never leave even their own state.
  - godelski 4y ago
    What I'm personally annoyed about is the "but what about..." conversations. To me these are quite annoying and derail the conversation. There are proper ways to bring up comparisons. For example "I wonder if other countries have similarly low passport rates?" There's also the aspect that a lot of conversations end up being particularly Americentric. But let's remember that America doesn't have to be brought into every conversation. It isn't helpful. In particular here it just seemed like you wanted to shit on America. There's plenty of reasons to do so, but this was just out of the blue. It is common, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable behavior.

ghaff 4y ago

>low English skill As a native English speaker, especially if you travel mostly to Europe or generally urban/tourist track areas elsewhere, it's pretty easy to get the impression that an at least minimally resourceful and adaptable person can generally get by even without English-speaking guides and other travel resources. But that's not really true for a lot of people in other countries, especially if their languages don't use Roman script and they don't really know any foreign languages.

alwayslikethis 4y ago
Their education system is quite poorly suited to teaching a foreign language effectively (as with any other), but there is also this very low exposure to English (or any other foreign language) due to the abundance of translated material.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Not just translated, but presumably dubbed? I have some eastern euro relatives that owe their English skill (moreso vocab than grammar) to local-language subtitled TV/movies (too poor to dub).
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Just one of the many reasons subs are superior.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > I have some eastern euro relatives that owe their English skill (moreso vocab than grammar) to local-language subtitled TV/movies (too poor to dub). Can confirm, it was the same for me and many of my peers when growing up (and video games for those that partook). However today everything is dubbed on TV, your only chance of subtitles to learn is on new releases in the cinemas.
bane 4y ago
I'm an American, native English speaker, no real other languages at a conversational level other than some High-School Spanish and a couple hundred words of Korean due to marriage. The further you get away from areas with familiar scripts, language cognates, and speakers, the more lost one can feel very quickly. Parts of Hungary, for example, were quite difficult even though they use Latin script, are European, and usually have lots of English speakers around. One of the things I found that made Japan remarkable was how easy it was to get around as a non-Japanese speaker. Until you end up off the mainline tourist bits, then things can get quickly pretty dicey. I don't think the inverse is true for the average Japanese person in even the most tourist friendly spots elsewhere. Everywhere is opaque, and there aren't enough Japanese speaking tourists to make it worthwhile to add it to all of the signage and menus to make it work out.

midoridensha 4y ago

>perception of foreign countries as dangerous Foreign countries are dangerous, compared to Japan. You can see it in all the national crime rates. Only a few places are as safe, such as Singapore, and some rich micronations in Europe.

Haga 4y ago
ghaff 4y ago
Multiples of a very low number is still a pretty low number. That said, having returned fairly recently from an event in an unfamiliar US city with a reputation for being relatively dangerous (Detroit), I'll say that I didn't feel very comfortable in spite of it probably being mostly safe enough objectively. So it's understandable that an obvious tourist who doesn't speak the language at all in a US or European city might feel at risk.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  With America, it entirely depends on where you go. Some parts of a single city might be dangerous, and other parts nearby much less so. Detroit has a bad reputation, but isn't unsafe everyhwere. That said, every place in the US is generally less safe than many other countries just because of the usage of cars, and their typical high speeds compared to other places. Over 30k people die in the US every year in car crashes. Usually, people think of crime when the word "unsafe" is used, but they forget all the danger with cars.
DoItToMe81 4y ago
Switzerland and Denmark are not micronations but are comparatively safe or safer.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  They're not micronations but they're tiny compared to Japan. The two of them combined have less than half the population of Tokyo.

poulsbohemian 4y ago

None of that sounds any different than the US really…