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> Going forward, there will be a vote for major policy changes. My apologies. Won’t happen again. I'm not sure a vote is the best option but it doesn't solve t

by xupybd 4y ago

> Going forward, there will be a vote for major policy changes. My apologies. Won’t happen again. I'm not sure a vote is the best option but it doesn't solve the problem either. There needs to be due process. You can't bring out a new policy and 5 mins later start banning accounts that have tweets older than the policy that also violate the policy. Elon is big on move fast and break things but I think he is going to hard and will destroy Twitter if he continues at this pace.

jacquesm 4y ago
> Elon is big on move fast and break things but I think he is going to hard and will destroy Twitter if he continues at this pace. Is there still any doubt about that? The only way forward where I think Twitter may be salvaged is if Musk steps away from it right now but I don't think his ego would allow him to admit to such a failure. So down it is.
- xupybd 4y ago
  Perhaps that is his current plan https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097?cxt=HHwWgoC91dvP38QsAAAA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097?cxt=...
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    If the answer is 'yes', it's not a rigged poll and he abides by it then I don't envy whoever will be in the drivers seat with Elon as backseat driver and most powerful user of the platform.
    - xupybd 4y ago
      I suspect the answer could be yes and still be what Elon wants. Elon does something spectacularly unpopular then throws this poll up. While I don't think this is 4d chess I think this might be on purpose. I suspect he wants out and to save face publicly. This way he can claim to his supporters that he is the good guy and simply abiding by the will of the people. Not that he got in over his head and had to bail before drowning.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        The first thing any new CEO of Twitter should do as a litmus test of their freedom to act would be to ban Musk. If that sticks Twitter might regain some trust. Plenty of stuff Musk has done in the last couple of weeks would be bannable offences by their own TOS.
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    - zestyping 4y ago
      It doesn't matter if it's rigged. My bet is, Elon is tired of this mess by now and wants to resign — this is just a way of looking good on the way out.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Kids today and their attention span when it comes to new toys ;)
- SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
  Funnily enough, he has a poll up half an hour ago for whether he should step away as head of Twitter. Yes has a strong lead, so I guess we'll see if he abides by it!
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    That poll will show whatever Elon wants it to show. If he wants out he doesn't need a poll and if he wants to stay he also doesn't need a poll.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      For all we know, he could also be able to put his thumb on the scale to obtain whichever result he wants.
- wpietri 4y ago
  > Is there still any doubt about that? I think there is. Not so much because of Musk himself, but because network effects businesses are hard to kill. Exhibit A being Jack's years of vague, indifferent, part-time management. I think he could continue to fuck it up for a while, find a reason to declare victory, and turn it over to a department-store mannequin to run while he goes back to his real job(s). It would slowly reconstitute itself and keep chugging along. As comparison, I note that Tumblr and Flickr are still going concerns. That said, he's been far more diligent in breaking it than I ever expected, so he may well manage to destroy it.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > but because network effects businesses are hard to kill That is true, but once it does go down it can go very fast, especially if there is a viable replacement. Digg, Slashdot, MySpace, AOL, Google+ etc. Network effects work to your advantage on the way up, but can work to your disadvantage on the way down. Tumblr and Flickr are shadows of their former selves.
    - wpietri 4y ago
      Oh, for sure. It'll be interesting, though, to see if there is a "next Twitter". I suspect that Twitter is a creature of the era in which it started, and so that there is no next Twitter in the sense of a global town square. I think it will be more like email's slow slide, with different needs causing fragmentation into different tools and spaces.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    While also paying the bills? Sure he could do it with unlimited capital, but I don’t see that as being the case. He has debt to pay.
- bitL 4y ago
  Lex Fridman already applied to be the new Twitter boss lol
notafraudster 4y ago
One of the many reasons why "a vote" isn't a best option is that by "a vote", he means a poll he posts on his personal Twitter account and which is brigaded by lunatic Elon people. Moreover, Twitter laid off at least 80% of the experiments team last I checked (maybe 100% now?) and most of the other related research science people, so I highly doubt they even have a mechanism to do sample to population extrapolation or design a sample frame even if they wanted to. Completely embarrassing.
- tdeck 4y ago
  Another reason is that this is the platform Elon Musk himself claims is full of bots. If that's the case, wouldn't it make online polls on that platform pretty untrustworthy?
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    It's okay because his bots will choose whatever option he likes the most in order to make it seem like a democratic process.
  - vkou 4y ago
    He's already held a poll on unbanning Donald Trump, and while the poll was ongoing, Elon was complaining that too many bots and trolls were voting 'No'.

by xupybd 4y ago

jacquesm 4y ago

> Elon is big on move fast and break things but I think he is going to hard and will destroy Twitter if he continues at this pace. Is there still any doubt about that? The only way forward where I think Twitter may be salvaged is if Musk steps away from it right now but I don't think his ego would allow him to admit to such a failure. So down it is.

xupybd 4y ago
Perhaps that is his current plan https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097?cxt=HHwWgoC91dvP38QsAAAA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097?cxt=...
- jacquesm 4y ago
  If the answer is 'yes', it's not a rigged poll and he abides by it then I don't envy whoever will be in the drivers seat with Elon as backseat driver and most powerful user of the platform.
  - xupybd 4y ago
    I suspect the answer could be yes and still be what Elon wants. Elon does something spectacularly unpopular then throws this poll up. While I don't think this is 4d chess I think this might be on purpose. I suspect he wants out and to save face publicly. This way he can claim to his supporters that he is the good guy and simply abiding by the will of the people. Not that he got in over his head and had to bail before drowning.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      The first thing any new CEO of Twitter should do as a litmus test of their freedom to act would be to ban Musk. If that sticks Twitter might regain some trust. Plenty of stuff Musk has done in the last couple of weeks would be bannable offences by their own TOS.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - zestyping 4y ago
    It doesn't matter if it's rigged. My bet is, Elon is tired of this mess by now and wants to resign — this is just a way of looking good on the way out.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Kids today and their attention span when it comes to new toys ;)
SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
Funnily enough, he has a poll up half an hour ago for whether he should step away as head of Twitter. Yes has a strong lead, so I guess we'll see if he abides by it!
- jacquesm 4y ago
  That poll will show whatever Elon wants it to show. If he wants out he doesn't need a poll and if he wants to stay he also doesn't need a poll.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    For all we know, he could also be able to put his thumb on the scale to obtain whichever result he wants.
wpietri 4y ago
> Is there still any doubt about that? I think there is. Not so much because of Musk himself, but because network effects businesses are hard to kill. Exhibit A being Jack's years of vague, indifferent, part-time management. I think he could continue to fuck it up for a while, find a reason to declare victory, and turn it over to a department-store mannequin to run while he goes back to his real job(s). It would slowly reconstitute itself and keep chugging along. As comparison, I note that Tumblr and Flickr are still going concerns. That said, he's been far more diligent in breaking it than I ever expected, so he may well manage to destroy it.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  > but because network effects businesses are hard to kill That is true, but once it does go down it can go very fast, especially if there is a viable replacement. Digg, Slashdot, MySpace, AOL, Google+ etc. Network effects work to your advantage on the way up, but can work to your disadvantage on the way down. Tumblr and Flickr are shadows of their former selves.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Oh, for sure. It'll be interesting, though, to see if there is a "next Twitter". I suspect that Twitter is a creature of the era in which it started, and so that there is no next Twitter in the sense of a global town square. I think it will be more like email's slow slide, with different needs causing fragmentation into different tools and spaces.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  While also paying the bills? Sure he could do it with unlimited capital, but I don’t see that as being the case. He has debt to pay.
bitL 4y ago
Lex Fridman already applied to be the new Twitter boss lol

notafraudster 4y ago

One of the many reasons why "a vote" isn't a best option is that by "a vote", he means a poll he posts on his personal Twitter account and which is brigaded by lunatic Elon people. Moreover, Twitter laid off at least 80% of the experiments team last I checked (maybe 100% now?) and most of the other related research science people, so I highly doubt they even have a mechanism to do sample to population extrapolation or design a sample frame even if they wanted to. Completely embarrassing.

tdeck 4y ago
Another reason is that this is the platform Elon Musk himself claims is full of bots. If that's the case, wouldn't it make online polls on that platform pretty untrustworthy?
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  It's okay because his bots will choose whatever option he likes the most in order to make it seem like a democratic process.
- vkou 4y ago
  He's already held a poll on unbanning Donald Trump, and while the poll was ongoing, Elon was complaining that too many bots and trolls were voting 'No'.