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This is amazing. He basically said, he'd return if elon comes around, and wishes him the best. And just said "my mastodon is on my website". No violation of tho

This is amazing. He basically said, he'd return if elon comes around, and wishes him the best. And just said "my mastodon is on my website". No violation of those new "TOS" of any kind. https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :)

cesarb 4y ago
> https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :) You can watch the account in your own instance (if someone on your instance has already followed him, which is likely for larger instances). Just go to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to (replace the domain with your favorite instance's domain). (Edit: fixed typo)
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?
  - davidgerard 4y ago
    Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.
    - davidw 4y ago
      As a BEAM fan, Pleroma looks interesting, but "which fork of the Elixir project that is related to Mastodon" is... peak open source isn't it? In all the good ways and bad ways. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_rebased_fork_vs_akkoma_fork/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_re... I wonder what the resource requirements of that look like compared to the default Mastodon thing.
    - patch_cable 4y ago
      Mentioned above, but I’ve been running Akkoma on a OCI free tier ARM instance with no issues.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      Mastodon is large and fat??! Finally an honestly named piece of software. If I'm already running a moderately sized $30-or-so-per-month server with its own local database process, that's not very busy. Should it fit on that kind of system just fine, or does it need a lot of CPU, memory, disk space, and/or network bandwidth? Or do you think I'd have to upgrade to a 50-or-so-per-month server? Again, not planning on having many people use it, but I'm just wondering how much baseline and peak overhead there is to just being on the network, along various dimensions.
    - rsolva 4y ago
      I've run GoToSocial as my personal instance for a few weeks and although it is still a very young project, it has worked reliably for me. Since it is a Go project is bare uses any resources, ~100mb RAM and almost zero CPU. I host 3 personal accounts connected to ~1000 accounts (folliwers and followed) in total. Run it on my Proxmox at home.
  - Tepix 4y ago
    Very much so!
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    If you're going down that road count me in, I'll chip in for expenses as well, obviously.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      I know you're actually a robot, so I trust you! It's those pesky humans I'm worried about. Oh shit did I just ROBODOX you, buddy?
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Ah... guilty as charged. I'll go drink some engine oil now, I feel a bit rusty. Need to recharge soon as well.
  - genghisjahn 4y ago
    https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon My costs are more like $18/month.
  - monkeywork 4y ago
    Yes I wish we could have some sort of rule where you could never have more than 100 or so people per server and the community really really focused on making the deploy instructions as simple as possible for people to use with things like Oracles free tier, or the low cost VPS's out there. Mastodon instances with 10's of thousands of users is a TERRIBLE idea for the long term viability of the service.
    - Animats 4y ago
      > never have more than 100 or so people per server Is the performance that bad?
      - kragen 4y ago
        no, dealing with thousands of users is that bad on an interpersonal level
      - dsr_ 4y ago
        No, it's to encourage communities to form and admins to be able to have minimal relationships with their users.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      My main concern isn't CPU performance, but that I don't want to spend any of my own time moderating, and just let on people and robots I trust, if anyone at all. Sounds like it's easy to install on the cloud. Would it make sense to run it on a home server with a good broadband consumer internet connection like fiber? Is there a lot of traffic normally, pushing or pulling or polling?
    - kibwen 4y ago
      I agree that having enormous general "catch-all" servers will inevitably lead to low-quality cesspits (like Twitter). But topical mastodon instances are approximately federated subreddits, and subreddits can maintain reasonable quality even with 10,000 subscribers (but once you get much larger than that you start having problems).
  - PierceJoy 4y ago
    Isn’t that just a private Discord? Or do you specifically mean something you can host yourself?
  - pimeys 4y ago
    I am running Akkoma which is an Elixir server with Mastodon-compatible API. Super fast and runs well with my 10€ two server Hetzner setup. https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
    - patch_cable 4y ago
      I am also running Akkoma on a free-tier OCI ARM instance. It runs great. Akkoma also works with the official Mastodon mobile app.
- bhoops 4y ago
  working example: https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to
BryantD 4y ago
- meshugga 4y ago
  Having a personal website with contact information is not URL cloaking or plaintext onfuscation. Those TOS are ludicrous to begin with, but are not by any reasonable understanding written to say that you can not have a personal website with other social media.
  - catach 4y ago
    > not URL cloaking or plaintext onfuscation. Those methods are presented as non-exhaustive examples. "Technical or non-technical means" resolves to every possible method.
    - romwell 4y ago
      Yeah, including telling your friends in a personal conversation. Or simply having an account on Mastodon, and other people Googling it. It's absurd.
      - catach 4y ago
        Well no, I expect the scope is limited to "the Tweet level and the account level". But that is still certainly absurd.
  - oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
    Their argument isn't that you can't have that website, but that you can't promote your other socials, on twitter, via it. Ridiculous, of course.
  - DistractionRect 4y ago
    It's not like he said he'll just write on his site from now on, and got banned because his site also has links to his other social media. He expressly said you can find his mastodon, a prohibited social media site as outlined by Twitter, on his website. So he was promoting his mastodon with non-technical means and circumvented the new policy. While linking to the new policy... showing moderators he was well aware of it.
barathr 4y ago
Try https://techhub.social https://techhub.social and then follow from there
mschuster91 4y ago
I'm on the same instance and holy crap they've gone down with every single major e-long caused migration wave. Poor admin crews of all the instances - can't even enjoy a Sunday off because Musk decides to do something stupid yet again. I had hoped to have gotten rid of that anxiety the day Trump left office, and now it's back with a vengeance.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Nova spent a whole bunch of freetime upgrading hachyderm.io a few weeks ago. Then a bunch of time on mischief after the ban, making aliases for the server that weren't on the naughty list yet.
IOT_Apprentice 4y ago
Paul was a big cheerleader for Elon. Touted his “skills” at Tesla & SpaceX. Elon kicks him off, because Dear Leader will not be criticized. Meanwhile Tesla is pile driving into the ground. I’m waiting for the FTC & the EU to weigh in on ALL of this puerile behavior by sham Tony Stark.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Elon kicks him off, because Dear Leader will not be criticized We have no proof Elon personally kicked off PG. We can hold him accountable for creating this shitshow. But Hanlon’s razor wields well, here.
  - rchaud 4y ago
    He very publicly disbanded the Trust and Safety group at Twitter. It's his baby now.
  - approxim8ion 4y ago
    Does it wield well if the person involved has a healthy mix of both incompetence and malice?
- ssnistfajen 4y ago
  He was still giving Elon platitudes in his HN comment in the previous thread. For a person with so much wealth and influence, Elon is way too thin-skinned.
- WaxProlix 4y ago
  > sham Tony Stark "Phony Stark", maybe?
  - bbatchelder 4y ago
    Justin Hammer way more apropos
- bbatchelder 4y ago
  Elon is more Justin Hammer.
vidarh 4y ago
To put this into perspective, here's user growth over the last few days [1]. Before Musk bought Twitter, it was often ~4k a day. Earlier today it was back down to less than 2k an hour, after a peak a bit above 4k an hour after the journalist fiasco. It's currently at 5,477 in the last hour. Before the journalist fiasco it had fallen back to ~1k/hour, and I think you need to go back to Nov 19th to find similar peaks. In other words, things had died down massively, and he's chosen to pointlessly inflame things again rather than letting it calm down further. [1] https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/109537159463011461 https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/10953715946301...
- toss1 4y ago
  Nice data; indicates that Mr. Musk was (at least operationally) unfamiliar with the Streisand Effect, and is not learning quickly. Yikes. The Emperor's clothes get more transparent by the minute
rideontime 4y ago
And now he's talking about his kid's ideas for new Pokemon instead of Elon's BS. Seems like a nice place!

cesarb 4y ago

> https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :) You can watch the account in your own instance (if someone on your instance has already followed him, which is likely for larger instances). Just go to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to (replace the domain with your favorite instance's domain). (Edit: fixed typo)

DonHopkins 4y ago
Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?
- davidgerard 4y ago
  Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.
  - davidw 4y ago
    As a BEAM fan, Pleroma looks interesting, but "which fork of the Elixir project that is related to Mastodon" is... peak open source isn't it? In all the good ways and bad ways. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_rebased_fork_vs_akkoma_fork/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_re... I wonder what the resource requirements of that look like compared to the default Mastodon thing.
  - patch_cable 4y ago
    Mentioned above, but I’ve been running Akkoma on a OCI free tier ARM instance with no issues.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Mastodon is large and fat??! Finally an honestly named piece of software. If I'm already running a moderately sized $30-or-so-per-month server with its own local database process, that's not very busy. Should it fit on that kind of system just fine, or does it need a lot of CPU, memory, disk space, and/or network bandwidth? Or do you think I'd have to upgrade to a 50-or-so-per-month server? Again, not planning on having many people use it, but I'm just wondering how much baseline and peak overhead there is to just being on the network, along various dimensions.
  - rsolva 4y ago
    I've run GoToSocial as my personal instance for a few weeks and although it is still a very young project, it has worked reliably for me. Since it is a Go project is bare uses any resources, ~100mb RAM and almost zero CPU. I host 3 personal accounts connected to ~1000 accounts (folliwers and followed) in total. Run it on my Proxmox at home.
- Tepix 4y ago
  Very much so!
- jacquesm 4y ago
  If you're going down that road count me in, I'll chip in for expenses as well, obviously.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    I know you're actually a robot, so I trust you! It's those pesky humans I'm worried about. Oh shit did I just ROBODOX you, buddy?
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Ah... guilty as charged. I'll go drink some engine oil now, I feel a bit rusty. Need to recharge soon as well.
- genghisjahn 4y ago
  https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon My costs are more like $18/month.
- monkeywork 4y ago
  Yes I wish we could have some sort of rule where you could never have more than 100 or so people per server and the community really really focused on making the deploy instructions as simple as possible for people to use with things like Oracles free tier, or the low cost VPS's out there. Mastodon instances with 10's of thousands of users is a TERRIBLE idea for the long term viability of the service.
  - Animats 4y ago
    > never have more than 100 or so people per server Is the performance that bad?
    - kragen 4y ago
      no, dealing with thousands of users is that bad on an interpersonal level
    - dsr_ 4y ago
      No, it's to encourage communities to form and admins to be able to have minimal relationships with their users.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    My main concern isn't CPU performance, but that I don't want to spend any of my own time moderating, and just let on people and robots I trust, if anyone at all. Sounds like it's easy to install on the cloud. Would it make sense to run it on a home server with a good broadband consumer internet connection like fiber? Is there a lot of traffic normally, pushing or pulling or polling?
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I agree that having enormous general "catch-all" servers will inevitably lead to low-quality cesspits (like Twitter). But topical mastodon instances are approximately federated subreddits, and subreddits can maintain reasonable quality even with 10,000 subscribers (but once you get much larger than that you start having problems).
- PierceJoy 4y ago
  Isn’t that just a private Discord? Or do you specifically mean something you can host yourself?
- pimeys 4y ago
  I am running Akkoma which is an Elixir server with Mastodon-compatible API. Super fast and runs well with my 10€ two server Hetzner setup. https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
  - patch_cable 4y ago
    I am also running Akkoma on a free-tier OCI ARM instance. It runs great. Akkoma also works with the official Mastodon mobile app.
bhoops 4y ago
working example: https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to

BryantD 4y ago

meshugga 4y ago
Having a personal website with contact information is not URL cloaking or plaintext onfuscation. Those TOS are ludicrous to begin with, but are not by any reasonable understanding written to say that you can not have a personal website with other social media.
- catach 4y ago
  > not URL cloaking or plaintext onfuscation. Those methods are presented as non-exhaustive examples. "Technical or non-technical means" resolves to every possible method.
  - romwell 4y ago
    Yeah, including telling your friends in a personal conversation. Or simply having an account on Mastodon, and other people Googling it. It's absurd.
    - catach 4y ago
      Well no, I expect the scope is limited to "the Tweet level and the account level". But that is still certainly absurd.
- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  Their argument isn't that you can't have that website, but that you can't promote your other socials, on twitter, via it. Ridiculous, of course.
- DistractionRect 4y ago
  It's not like he said he'll just write on his site from now on, and got banned because his site also has links to his other social media. He expressly said you can find his mastodon, a prohibited social media site as outlined by Twitter, on his website. So he was promoting his mastodon with non-technical means and circumvented the new policy. While linking to the new policy... showing moderators he was well aware of it.

barathr 4y ago

Try https://techhub.social https://techhub.social and then follow from there

mschuster91 4y ago

I'm on the same instance and holy crap they've gone down with every single major e-long caused migration wave. Poor admin crews of all the instances - can't even enjoy a Sunday off because Musk decides to do something stupid yet again. I had hoped to have gotten rid of that anxiety the day Trump left office, and now it's back with a vengeance.

hinkley 4y ago
Nova spent a whole bunch of freetime upgrading hachyderm.io a few weeks ago. Then a bunch of time on mischief after the ban, making aliases for the server that weren't on the naughty list yet.

IOT_Apprentice 4y ago

Paul was a big cheerleader for Elon. Touted his “skills” at Tesla & SpaceX. Elon kicks him off, because Dear Leader will not be criticized. Meanwhile Tesla is pile driving into the ground. I’m waiting for the FTC & the EU to weigh in on ALL of this puerile behavior by sham Tony Stark.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Elon kicks him off, because Dear Leader will not be criticized We have no proof Elon personally kicked off PG. We can hold him accountable for creating this shitshow. But Hanlon’s razor wields well, here.
- rchaud 4y ago
  He very publicly disbanded the Trust and Safety group at Twitter. It's his baby now.
- approxim8ion 4y ago
  Does it wield well if the person involved has a healthy mix of both incompetence and malice?
ssnistfajen 4y ago
He was still giving Elon platitudes in his HN comment in the previous thread. For a person with so much wealth and influence, Elon is way too thin-skinned.
WaxProlix 4y ago
> sham Tony Stark "Phony Stark", maybe?
- bbatchelder 4y ago
  Justin Hammer way more apropos
bbatchelder 4y ago
Elon is more Justin Hammer.

vidarh 4y ago

To put this into perspective, here's user growth over the last few days [1]. Before Musk bought Twitter, it was often ~4k a day. Earlier today it was back down to less than 2k an hour, after a peak a bit above 4k an hour after the journalist fiasco. It's currently at 5,477 in the last hour. Before the journalist fiasco it had fallen back to ~1k/hour, and I think you need to go back to Nov 19th to find similar peaks. In other words, things had died down massively, and he's chosen to pointlessly inflame things again rather than letting it calm down further. [1] https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/109537159463011461 https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/10953715946301...

toss1 4y ago
Nice data; indicates that Mr. Musk was (at least operationally) unfamiliar with the Streisand Effect, and is not learning quickly. Yikes. The Emperor's clothes get more transparent by the minute

rideontime 4y ago

And now he's talking about his kid's ideas for new Pokemon instead of Elon's BS. Seems like a nice place!