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You are wrong about what PG said. In fact, his Tweet included an explanation of where to find a link to his Mastodon account. Elon has made it clear that these
by garbagetime 4y ago
You are wrong about what PG said. In fact, his Tweet included an explanation of where to find a link to his Mastodon account.
Elon has made it clear that these blatant attempts at ban evasion are not allowed.
- meshugga 4y agoIt's not what the TOS say though.
- garbagetime 4y agoNote that Twitter's TOS are only one of the three components of the Twitter User Agreement. There are also the Twitter Rules and Policies. This is what Twitter's Rules and Policies page says: > At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL:
- meshugga 4y agoBoth of which paulg didn't do.
- tick_tock_tick 4y ago.... Read it again dude. That's a non exhaustive list he clearly violated it. Kind of a bullshit policy but he clearly violated it.
- garbagetime 4y agoI think you made a mistake when you read the quotation. PG broke the rule when he promoted a prohibited 3rd-party social media platform.
- zakki 4y agoPG didn’t do any of that, did he?
- garbagetime 4y agoHe promoted prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms
- Terretta 4y agoThe more detail you provide, the clearer it is PG didn't take the prohibited action.
- shadowgovt 4y agoI don't think it's worth getting hung up on what the TOS say. Twitter is Musk's fiefdom now and the rules are what he decides they are. Letter of the law is worthless here; it's will-of-the-baron rules.
- signal11 4y agoPG’s tweet said, iirc, go to my website, it has my Mastodon link. He didn’t even mention his website, it’s on his bio. If that’s not okay to Twitter, that’s extremely interesting. Brings Apple’s App Store rules to mind.
- modeless 4y agoMy thoughts too. If Twitter is going to start behaving like the App Store I want no part of it.
- chipotle_coyote 4y agoThis isn't as much behaving like the App Store as it is telling the App Store "hold my beer".
- geraldwhen 4y agoNot really; it’s the same. You can’t release products that compete with apple, ala an App Store, or games store, etc. It took a lawsuit to change that for Europe, but we still have yet to see what that looks like.
- modeless 4y agoUnless you're Roblox of course. What's up with that? Does Tim Cook own a bunch of Roblox stock or something?
- wholinator2 4y agoI believe Roblox would have enough money to convince any platform hosting their app to capitulate.
- hackernewds 4y agoNot really. The pixel buds app is in the Apple store. So is Amazon.
- thebradbain 4y agoThe TOS says any accounts that primarily focus on promotion of competitors will be banned, which, hm, but anyways. I think it’s obvious PG’s account was not primarily focused on links to other socials, so on to the next condition. The TOS also says any accounts which post a direct link to such sites will be found in violation. It does not say anything about purely mentioning the fact you have another social media (especially without saying the username), nor linking to a personal website, nor does it say anything about referring to where to find such a thing
- sytelus 4y agoYou are incorrectly quoting the TOS. The TOS very clearly says "Emperor will decide who will be banned and for what reason.". Go read it again.
- hackernewds 4y agoSo if Twitter restarted Vine they would ban Tiktok's Twitter account? Unheard of
- eclipxe 4y agoThat's not very free speech of twitter, now is it?
- dm319 4y agoEven worse, does it apply any ethical principles to the decision making around the limits of freedom of speech? I.e. when you're weighing up whether, say, incitement of violence, or Nazi support are beyond the line of what is acceptable, do you also place 'promoting alternative social media technology' as somewhere near these limits of freedom of speech?
- happytoexplain 4y agoCalling this a "blatant attempt at ban evasion" is uncharitable. What he wrote was, at most, arguably against the spirit of the rule. This is not even to speak of whether the rule is reasonable, or even just consistent with Elon's stated values.
- ekidd 4y ago> blatant attempts at ban evasion This is a very strange way to describe what's going on at Twitter. Musk has loudly announced that you're not allowed to even link to your other profiles on any other social media sites, or even describe indirectly how to find them. No major social media site has ever done something quite this anticompetitive, and certainly not all this scale. I've been using the Internet since the Eternal September, and this is a ludicrous policy.
- garbagetime 4y agoYou have misunderstood what Elon and I are referring to by 'ban evasion'. You may disagree with the policy of banning the promotion of alternative social platforms, but that is the rule. Trying to break that rule while not getting banned is blatantly ban evasion.
- dm319 4y agoOk, what do you think of that rule?
- garbagetime 4y agoI strongly dislike it (and I believe Elon has now changed it), but that's another conversation.
- jacquesm 4y agoElon and you? Really?
- commoner 4y agoThat's not what ban evasion means. Ban evasion is the attempt to circumvent an existing ban or suspension. Posting content that does not benefit Twitter, without violating Twitter's rules, is not ban evasion. Here is Twitter's policy on ban evasion: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion In case Twitter changes this policy, here's an archived copy of the current version (October 2020): https://web.archive.org/web/20221218225353/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion https://web.archive.org/web/20221218225353/https://help.twit...
- watwut 4y agoMaaan, the expression "ban evasion" is becoming as meaningless as "free speech" along with "bias" and so on. People just use them fully randomly.
- leviathant 4y agoSome people don't seem to understand the inter- part of the word internet.
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- tibbon 4y agoIs using Mastadon (a competing service) an attempt at ban evasion?
- dm319 4y agoI'm curious - I've seen his tweet. Can I ask you: 1. Are you just an advocate for following a website's terms? 2. Or do you think there is credibility in these terms?
- garbagetime 4y agoHave I been advocating following Twitter's rules? No. I've simply been explaining what those rules were (they have since been reverted) and how PG broke them.
- dekhn 4y agoActually, Elon just had paul's account unsuspended. Regardless of the reasoning, it makes much of your argumentation moot (irrelevant) because it's clear you don't understand Twitter or Musk's reasoning (nor does Musk).
- garbagetime 4y agoThe situation is very simple. 1. PG broke one of Twitter's rules: > At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL: 2. Twitter suspended PG's account 3. Twitter got rid of the rule. 4. PG had his account reinstated.