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Tell HN: Musk's aircraft are not using PIA transponder codes
Musk, and many of those defending him, keep claiming[0] that his aircraft are part of the FAA's Privacy ICAO aircraft address (PIA) program[1]. And that therefore ElonJet or anyone else tracking them is doing more than just republishing public information because you have to first deobfuscate the PIA code.
It's false: None of the aircraft Musk has been using are currently using PIA transponder codes or have been recently, and you can verify that for yourself.
What PIA does is assign you a fresh non-traceable ICAO hex code every 60 days for each aircraft in the program. You are then responsible for keying that code into your aircraft's transponder each time you get a new one. If you don't change the transponder code there's no additional privacy, as the transponder broadcasts its original identity.
This is what an aircraft in the PIA program looks like on ADSB Exchange: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0fe01
Note the 'PIA' flag and lack of additional information that would normally be pulled from the registry. If you convert that to the registration using an online lookup tool[2] you get N163NB, a fake record.[3]
Musk uses three jets, N628TS, N272BG, and N502SX. None are using PIA codes and all are easily visible on ADSB Exchange and most importantly have are still using their ICAO hex codes that are listed publicly along with ownership information on the FAA registry.
In fact, N628TS is airborne over the Middle East right now using its original assigned ICAO hex code of A835AF, not a PIA code.
Edit: As pointed out, this is because PIA codes may not be used when flying internationally. However you can view the aircraft's recent US-only flights and see it using the same code.
Perhaps his aircraft have used PIA codes in the past, but they're not using them now. Here's Aric Toler of Bellingcat making the same point: https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1603802439232241665
In our discussions on HN we should at least be able to agree on basic facts like these, and avoid repeating the claims made by those with an interest in confusing the issue.
N628TS:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS
N272BG:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a2ae0a
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=272BG
N502SX:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a64304
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=502SX
[0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665
[1] https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy
[2] http://www.avionictools.com/icao.php
[3] https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=163NB
- thdespou 4y agoHello Elon. Nice to meet you.
- phijazz 4y agoSweeney bragged about getting around Musk’s participation in the FAA’s PIA privacy program. https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288 https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288 And even if the data were of public origin, that will never make its malicious use, its desire to harm, harass or persecute others legal. This attempt to deny the criminal nature of an act is disturbing.
- _djo_ 4y agoAs I said, perhaps the aircraft were using PIA codes before. They certainly have been flying recently without them though. That’s easily verified. In any case, getting around PIA is not illegal, and is something the FAA explicitly warns aircraft owners is possible. PIA is just an obfuscation of the ICAO hex code, there’s nothing stopping spotters at airports from tying a new hex code to an existing registration, and there’s nothing spotters like more than a mystery. All entirely within the law. There is no evidence that anyone tracking Musk’s aircraft, including Sweeney, had any desire to cause physical harm to him, nor that they had that effect. > This attempt to deny the criminal nature of an act is disturbing. What criminal nature? Nothing Sweeney or any other flight tracker did was in any way criminal. Not even Musk has claimed that it was.
- Larrikin 4y ago
- gxt 4y agoWhat's going on with this obsession over Musk? Calm down, it's just another social network, it might fail, it might not, but please ask yourself, what is so important about this that you are willing to invest so much time in it, so much effort stalking the guy? I'm worried you are not okay, please take a step back.
- 4y ago