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Hiroyuki Nishimura has become a famous voice for disenchanted young Japanese

44 points by mistersquid 4y ago

patientplatypus 4y ago
theknocker 4y ago
LeonTheremin 4y ago
The people in 4chan brainwashing others into commiting murders are the same responsible for Havana Syndrome. They have complete electromagnetic surveillance of everyone and use this to harass incels and people without support into lashing out against innocents. 4chan is just one site where this happens and it has nothing to do with who owns it.
key_stroker 4y ago
https://archive.is/FkbEK https://archive.is/FkbEK
_v7gu 4y ago
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- ancapsfascists 4y ago
  The statement is "[4chan] is linked to massacres". This is simply a statement of fact, and it doesn't mean NYT isn't. (I'll be the first to call the NYT a rag, as a leftist, but it's factually correct to say 4chan is linked with massacres.)
  - _v7gu 4y ago
    That’s why I said stones instead of lies. I’m ESL, but I believe that phrase relates to hypocrisy rather than slander.
    - ancapsfascists 4y ago
      You used the expression correctly, but it often implies, "... and therefore the criticism is invalid." E.g., NYT shouldn't level this criticism because it could also be subject to the criticism. Hard to tell with a written forum post.
- koshergweilo 4y ago
  Can you elaborate? Did I miss Nate Cohn shooting up a mosque?
- azinman2 4y ago
  4chan is one of the worst places on the internet. What could you possibly defend?
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Anonymous discourse is amazing. I want to be exposed to the entire spectrum of humanity, not some "safe" subset.
    - azinman2 4y ago
      What’s the value in being exposed to neonazis, pedophiles, racists, conspiracy theorists, etc? It’s not hard to pickup a copy of mein kampf; that doesn’t mean I need to read it when I know it represents the worst of humanity.
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        The value is knowing people's unfiltered thoughts. I want to see humanity at its purest. If you used the site for any length of time, you'd know that even on 4chan the groups you mentioned are not universally accepted. Anonymity works both ways and they are also hated with complete impunity. It's precisely the anonymous nature of the site that makes posting so easy and consequence-free. There is no reputation to worry about, you can just share ideas and see how others react. Did you know Andreas Kling, creator of SerenityOS, used to post progress reports on the Daily Programming Thread of 4chan's technology board as far back as 2018-2019? I know because I was there.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    For some people, 4chan is one of the best places on the internet. At a personal level, if I want to hear a point of view I never heard, or that is a blind spot for me about a specific topic, it's one place where I can find it. If I need to find extreme arguments against my own point of view, or total opposite passionate takes on something I'm sure about, it's one place where I can find it. It I need to be surprised, if I'm looking for deviant creativity, if I want to learn something weird and new or be taken out of my comfort zone, it's one place where I can find it. In that sense, 4chan is, paradoxically, one of the most genuine, purest human forum experience you can get. And yes it's terrible because of this. It's insulting, full of bullshit, hosting plenty of people with dangerous ideas. But that's also its value. I don't want to live in a world where people can only write things I could think about, or things that would not hurt me.
- ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
  NYT, Economist, they all have fallen down a ghastly sharp slope.
chrischen 4y ago
Interesting how he tells young Japanese to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit. I feel as if in American following the letter of the law is the default. There is no voluntary conformity here.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
I think The NY Times caused multiple orders of magnitude more innocent people to die by pushing for the invasion of Iraq than all the massacres caused by all the uncensored forums on the internet combined.
- asddubs 4y ago
  probably true, but not really a defense of 4chan
  - kodyo 4y ago
    Yes, but the corporate media accusing somebody else of inciting violence is super comical.
- koshergweilo 4y ago
  I find it hard to fault a newspaper for pushing an opinion a large majority of it's readers share [1]. Also 9/11 was literally in their backyard. If someone flew a plane into your neighbors house you'd behave pretty irrationally as well [1]https://news.gallup.com/poll/6964/top-ten-findings-about-public-opinion-iraq.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/6964/top-ten-findings-about-pub...
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    9/11 has very little to do with the Iraq War, and pushing lies to a captivated audience is still detestable.
Ekaros 4y ago
Haven't many sites like Facebook also been linked provably to massacres and terrorism? Why don't we treat those sites and their users in same way?
- theknocker 4y ago
xqcgrek2 4y ago
The NYtimes has also been linked to massacres, arguably of greater magnitude.
imgabe 4y ago
AraceliHarker 4y ago
In Japan, 5ch.net (formerly 2ch.net), which Nishimura founded, is considered to be very notorious for discrimination, pornography, fake news, murder threats, etc., just like 4chan.org and 8ch.net. However, Nishimura has been treated favorably by major TV stations and major game companies such as Square Enix, perhaps because he has been a board member of major Japanese Internet companies such as Dwango and LINE, and is currently very popular as a YouTuber. He has also published self-help books with major publishing companies.
- fomine3 4y ago
  It's really awful that Nishimura is now popular and encouraged by major companies and local govs, but I should correct that LINE had never listed on board him.
AraceliHarker 4y ago
In the past, Nishimura stored and leaked the credit card information of 2ch.net's paying members in plain text, but took no responsibility and received little criticism for it.
- fomine3 4y ago
  2ch.net payment system was operated by Jim Watkins rather than Nishimura

44 points by mistersquid 4y ago

The people in 4chan brainwashing others into commiting murders are the same responsible for Havana Syndrome. They have complete electromagnetic surveillance of everyone and use this to harass incels and people without support into lashing out against innocents. 4chan is just one site where this happens and it has nothing to do with who owns it.

key_stroker 4y ago

https://archive.is/FkbEK https://archive.is/FkbEK

_v7gu 4y ago

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ancapsfascists 4y ago
The statement is "[4chan] is linked to massacres". This is simply a statement of fact, and it doesn't mean NYT isn't. (I'll be the first to call the NYT a rag, as a leftist, but it's factually correct to say 4chan is linked with massacres.)
- _v7gu 4y ago
  That’s why I said stones instead of lies. I’m ESL, but I believe that phrase relates to hypocrisy rather than slander.
  - ancapsfascists 4y ago
    You used the expression correctly, but it often implies, "... and therefore the criticism is invalid." E.g., NYT shouldn't level this criticism because it could also be subject to the criticism. Hard to tell with a written forum post.
koshergweilo 4y ago
Can you elaborate? Did I miss Nate Cohn shooting up a mosque?
azinman2 4y ago
4chan is one of the worst places on the internet. What could you possibly defend?
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Anonymous discourse is amazing. I want to be exposed to the entire spectrum of humanity, not some "safe" subset.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    What’s the value in being exposed to neonazis, pedophiles, racists, conspiracy theorists, etc? It’s not hard to pickup a copy of mein kampf; that doesn’t mean I need to read it when I know it represents the worst of humanity.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      The value is knowing people's unfiltered thoughts. I want to see humanity at its purest. If you used the site for any length of time, you'd know that even on 4chan the groups you mentioned are not universally accepted. Anonymity works both ways and they are also hated with complete impunity. It's precisely the anonymous nature of the site that makes posting so easy and consequence-free. There is no reputation to worry about, you can just share ideas and see how others react. Did you know Andreas Kling, creator of SerenityOS, used to post progress reports on the Daily Programming Thread of 4chan's technology board as far back as 2018-2019? I know because I was there.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  For some people, 4chan is one of the best places on the internet. At a personal level, if I want to hear a point of view I never heard, or that is a blind spot for me about a specific topic, it's one place where I can find it. If I need to find extreme arguments against my own point of view, or total opposite passionate takes on something I'm sure about, it's one place where I can find it. It I need to be surprised, if I'm looking for deviant creativity, if I want to learn something weird and new or be taken out of my comfort zone, it's one place where I can find it. In that sense, 4chan is, paradoxically, one of the most genuine, purest human forum experience you can get. And yes it's terrible because of this. It's insulting, full of bullshit, hosting plenty of people with dangerous ideas. But that's also its value. I don't want to live in a world where people can only write things I could think about, or things that would not hurt me.
ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
NYT, Economist, they all have fallen down a ghastly sharp slope.

chrischen 4y ago

Interesting how he tells young Japanese to follow the letter of the law instead of the spirit. I feel as if in American following the letter of the law is the default. There is no voluntary conformity here.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

I think The NY Times caused multiple orders of magnitude more innocent people to die by pushing for the invasion of Iraq than all the massacres caused by all the uncensored forums on the internet combined.

asddubs 4y ago
probably true, but not really a defense of 4chan
- kodyo 4y ago
  Yes, but the corporate media accusing somebody else of inciting violence is super comical.
koshergweilo 4y ago
I find it hard to fault a newspaper for pushing an opinion a large majority of it's readers share [1]. Also 9/11 was literally in their backyard. If someone flew a plane into your neighbors house you'd behave pretty irrationally as well [1]https://news.gallup.com/poll/6964/top-ten-findings-about-public-opinion-iraq.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/6964/top-ten-findings-about-pub...
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  9/11 has very little to do with the Iraq War, and pushing lies to a captivated audience is still detestable.

Ekaros 4y ago

Haven't many sites like Facebook also been linked provably to massacres and terrorism? Why don't we treat those sites and their users in same way?

theknocker 4y ago

xqcgrek2 4y ago

The NYtimes has also been linked to massacres, arguably of greater magnitude.

imgabe 4y ago

AraceliHarker 4y ago

In Japan, 5ch.net (formerly 2ch.net), which Nishimura founded, is considered to be very notorious for discrimination, pornography, fake news, murder threats, etc., just like 4chan.org and 8ch.net. However, Nishimura has been treated favorably by major TV stations and major game companies such as Square Enix, perhaps because he has been a board member of major Japanese Internet companies such as Dwango and LINE, and is currently very popular as a YouTuber. He has also published self-help books with major publishing companies.

fomine3 4y ago
It's really awful that Nishimura is now popular and encouraged by major companies and local govs, but I should correct that LINE had never listed on board him.

AraceliHarker 4y ago

In the past, Nishimura stored and leaked the credit card information of 2ch.net's paying members in plain text, but took no responsibility and received little criticism for it.

fomine3 4y ago
2ch.net payment system was operated by Jim Watkins rather than Nishimura